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It's pretty tough to organise an event the scale of EF in a different country from where the majority of the staff resides. Also, the majority of the guests come from Germany.

The last time EF took a chance with that was EF9, and it ended rather disasterously, with attendance numbers dropping by a lot, and a ton of problems with the venue and coordination issues.

The meritim as a hotel is the worst I ever stayed at, crapy service in every way and alot of flaws with it and horribly expensive...

That being said the con itself was great with a better location it would been "omg fall over and die pawsome" hehe

oh and just wondering, is it german furence or something? since only in germany seemed too be considered ^^

Germany is picked because it's central europe, I guess.

Edit: I'd rather see it in the Netherlands

The meritim as a hotel is the worst I ever stayed at, crapy service in every way and alot of flaws with it and horribly expensive...

That being said the con itself was great with a better location it would been "omg fall over and die pawsome" hehe

oh and just wondering, is it german furence or something? since only in germany seemed too be considered ^^

I wonder how so many people did not know about this, since it was advertised in this thread: https://forum.eurofurence.org/index.php/topic,2186.0.html
I mean going to a new location, it only seems logical to me that you check the travel board about important information regarding your travel?


And even when you walked to the elevators there were signs going:
Parking first hour: 1,50
Every additional hour: 1,00
Day: 18,00
Month: 67,00 (Or something, with an explanation about this offer).

I parked in the City Carree and paid at the desk since the machine wouldn't accept my money. The guy behind the counter made a little discount too and wondered if we would be back last year, since he found the whole ordeal very amusing.

Drinking and dressing up, and I'm sure there was more than one occasion of physical contact that would not be considered "PG".

From a European point of view everything a child could see in public spaces of Eurofurence is completely acceptable. It's just the US and some Arabian countries which claim to have a problem children seeing adults drinking alcoholic beverages. In fact, those countries seem to have a problem with anyone drinking alcohol or even just having fun outside the context of religious worship.

Again, the only reason why Eurofurence does not allow minors at the convention (with the rare exception to some few senior staff members) is legal liability for what a minor does, not what they might see.

And besides, the decision whether to allow certain staff members' kids or not attending is completely within the competence of the board and nobody else's business.

Also, this pointless discussion is highly demotivating for the parents involved and the whole staff. We are dedicating most if not all of our spare time for Eurofurence, spend a lot of our own money on all those things the convention could not afford otherwise, work to complete exhaustion at Eurofurence itself, and all you can do is complain about a rare exception for an extremely important staffer who couldn't attend otherwise?!

Please drop this issue now.

The real reason for having age18+ is LEGAL reasons.

EF did officially have minors as guests in earlier years (roaming freely around the convention with the exception of the artshow/dealersden).

Since when did Furry Fandom got into the business of putting up draconic morale standards?
Since when did, of all people, Furries cry for laws, censorship, regulations and exclusions of persons?

What is your motivation here? I can fully understand that the "Yiffy guide" might not be a too good impression (which I mentioned like 2 years back and was overruled), but obviously we (as a Fandom) DO want to see yiff art in the artshow (and the fandom as a whole). And the artshow has never been accessible to minors, for that very reason.

So where's the issue with trusting the parents to do the right thing for their own child, and creating such a drama about this now?

I honestly don't understand.

*purrrr*

I sure would love seeing you explain that to parents and their kids strolling around in the hotel lobby to see the fursuiters!

What makes me cringe is that the kid that was at EF (the purple bunny girl- sorry, never got her name) must have received the exact same conbook as all of us.. i just HOPE they thought about removing that add in her conbook *shudders*...

I'm not playing parent here, but from a psychological standpoint:
How would an undeveloped / inexperienced mind be effected by all the visual queues that child perceives at an event like this. At it's basic core, it's a Costume Party. Drinking and dressing up, and I'm sure there was more than one occasion of physical contact that would not be considered "PG". We were all children, and though we do not remember many specific experiences, our emotional connection to those experiences do stay with us. Children are like little vacuums, everything they hear, see, touch, taste, smell effects changes them as a person many years after.

So forget worrying about lawsuits if something happened to them during the con, what about our morals behind not subjecting them to this type of environment?

That's the real reason of having the minimum age of 18.

By name it's "The Rainmaker"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrLnByZ2zg

Being charged for tap water was mind blowing to me. I have stayed in more then a few 4 star hotels and even 5 star hotels in the US and never once been charged for tap water.

Well, to me, as a German, it is mind blowing that people think they could go to a restaurant and expect to get a drink for free.
It is absolutely unusual to order tap water in a German restaurant except for taking medicines, or for your dog (and fursuits don't count ) and even in these cases, I see no reason for a restaurant not to charge you for service, the ice, cleaning, and basically for the time you are blocking their seats for paying customers. I am actually surprised that some people
managed to persuade some patrons ... Personally, I consider this to be begging. I agree, though, that 3.50 is way too much (and that I generally expect a glass of water to be included in certain items, like espresso.)

I am sorry Dhary Montecore. While I agree that parking for 18 Euro a day is not out of line for a 4 star hotel in the US, heck I have seen it as high as $60 a day. Being charged for tap water was mind blowing to me. I have stayed in more then a few 4 star hotels and even 5 star hotels in the US and never once been charged for tap water. 6.50 for a coke... again mind blowing to me, the most I have seen at a 5 star US hotel was $3.50 for a small glass. This was no 5 star hotel, heck I have been to fancier 4 star.

As for delays I worked stage crew in the past, there will be delays and it does happen. How ever 1+ hour delays are really poor planing for understanding how long it takes to do a strike and cut over. I am sure that will be worked on for next year. (though it did happen some last year too)

Over all I actually liked the hotel, the staff seemed to warm up to the event as time went on and I think next year will be in full swing of it. The food near by was great! Quick run to the market for beer and water solved the hotel's high price problem (sorry that the hotel lost out money wise on that, but lower the price and i would have not needed to exit the hotel to buy beer, soda, and water).  Cheetah, the con staff was great! You have one amazing team and any con would be proud to have such a fine working staff. All my dealings with the staff was top end.

I dont feel the drive to come back as I had w/ Ringberg. But it was a good US style larger con and I very much enjoyed myself. I did enjoy waking around the city and seeing the sites. I just feel it lost the intimacy of the Ringberg.