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"Sefurity" shirts.
Tsanawo:
@Zefiro: Although I like your point, your missing the small piece that states that someone was claiming to be security during EF15.
I've checked and there are in total 6 people who have the shirt, none of them imposed as security during EF15, so I am wondering who did? And where he got the clothing from?
I can also fully understand the situation if it isn't allowed any more, especially since we're now in a public accessible venture and people might get confused. I'm part of a security team in the Netherlands myself, and we also actively enforce a no shirts may resemble our shirts or state security on them either on the front or on the back.
Still I find it strange that apparently last year there were problems with the shirts and I have heard nothing about it, while every other day one of us was wearing their shirt...
But this was originally for comments about the security staff during EuroFurence 16, and I have to say I have no complains on that. Their response time was excellent, wherever there was trouble there was one of the Gyroplast clones, and if all clones were busy there was Dhary, although I am wondering if they've cloned him too, since I also see him climbing up and down the stage a lot.
I didn't notice any incidents, so a tip of the hat for the security team of EF; You did an excellent job.
Dhary Montecore:
--- Quote from: Tsanawo on 08.09.2010, 23:17:30 ---But this was originally for comments about the security staff during EuroFurence 16, and I have to say I have no complains on that. Their response time was excellent, wherever there was trouble there was one of the Gyroplast clones, and if all clones were busy there was Dhary, although I am wondering if they've cloned him too, since I also see him climbing up and down the stage a lot.
I didn't notice any incidents, so a tip of the hat for the security team of EF; You did an excellent job.
--- End quote ---
Thank you very much :) To be exact, there aren't really any clones of us. We just project ourself where needed. Although it'll be much less stressful once they're done moving the main AI to the Storage 9. Oh... well, not that interesting anyway :)
Gyroplast:
Please allow me to sum this up from my perspective.
First off, it was reported to us that on EF15, someone wearing such a Sefurity-shirt actually mislead another attendee by impersonating EF security, knowingly or not. I do not think it is necessary at all to explain how this is something we'd like to avoid. Unfortunately, not every attendee insists on checking the badge of someone claiming to be security if other criterias suggest proper authority at a first glance.
For this reason we agreed to watch out for Sefurity insignia this year and ask people not to wear them at all to prevent any confusion, especially in case of an emergency.
However, when I stumbled over okill in suit with his shirt on, it was *technically* after the convention ended, during the Dead Dog Party. Security is in a bit of a limbo at this time, as our mandate formally ends on Sunday at noon, but we're still needed until Monday morning, as we had to realize once again this year as it was pointed out by the original poster of this thread. Nevertheless we tend to be more lax on sunday.
As I was talking to okill about his shirt and how I wanted him to take it off lest he may be mistaken for actual security, he explained to me how he was staffer in the stage area. While I cannot endorse his clearly annoyed attitude towards my explanations, I chalked this up to intoxication and quickly checked back with Nightfox, who was standing at the bar right behind us at the moment, if he had any problem with me giving a staffer special permission to wear this shirt. He didn't, so I let it slide and tended to other, more important problems.
I still don't see a need for a Lex Sefurity in the RoC, but it's sad that I had an actual *discussion* about this with a staffer. I wonder if there were similar discussions if unrelated people started wearing "Pawpeteer" or "Stage Crew" shirts, or if those would be tolerated by the respective crew with as much as a raised eyebrow.
Either way, this issue isn't limited to sefurity-shirts. It also covers red lanyards worn by non-staffers, badges that look alike current security or staffer badges and other shirts that suggest certain privileges, so we'll need some time to think about this and see if it actually is a problem needing explicit mentioning in the rules.
Most security members don't know all the reasons behind every single rule we ever created. Hell, even *I* don't! That's why they're supposed to escalate to me if there's a discussion cropping up, so I wonder how okill was buggered three times without me being called earlier already to sort this out. This is exactly the situation we'd like to avoid. However, I don't see how plainly ignoring a security member's instructions three times because you "didn't get a reasonable explanation" is proper handling of the situation, either.
Regards,
Gyro
Dhary Montecore:
--- Quote from: Gyroplast on 08.09.2010, 23:28:50 ---Please allow me to sum this up from my perspective.
First off, it was reported to us that on EF15, someone wearing such a Sefurity-shirt actually mislead another attendee by impersonating EF security, knowingly or not. I do not think it is necessary at all to explain how this is something we'd like to avoid. Unfortunately, not every attendee insists on checking the badge of someone claiming to be security if other criterias suggest proper authority at a first glance.
For this reason we agreed to watch out for Sefurity insignia this year and ask people not to wear them at all to prevent any confusion, especially in case of an emergency.
However, when I stumbled over okill in suit with his shirt on, it was *technically* after the convention ended, during the Dead Dog Party. Security is in a bit of a limbo at this time, as our mandate formally ends on Sunday at noon, but we're still needed until Monday morning, as we had to realize once again this year as it was pointed out by the original poster of this thread. Nevertheless we tend to be more lax on sunday.
As I was talking to okill about his shirt and how I wanted him to take it off lest he may be mistaken for actual security, he explained to me how he was staffer in the stage area. While I cannot endorse his clearly annoyed attitude towards my explanations, I chalked this up to intoxication and quickly checked back with Nightfox, who was standing at the bar right behind us at the moment, if he had any problem with me giving a staffer special permission to wear this shirt. He didn't, so I let it slide and tended to other, more important problems.
I still don't see a need for a Lex Sefurity in the RoC, but it's sad that I had an actual *discussion* about this with a staffer. I wonder if there were similar discussions if unrelated people started wearing "Pawpeteer" or "Stage Crew" shirts, or if those would be tolerated by the respective crew with as much as a raised eyebrow.
Either way, this issue isn't limited to sefurity-shirts. It also covers red lanyards worn by non-staffers, badges that look alike current security or staffer badges and other shirts that suggest certain privileges, so we'll need some time to think about this and see if it actually is a problem needing explicit mentioning in the rules.
Most security members don't know all the reasons behind every single rule we ever created. Hell, even *I* don't! That's why they're supposed to escalate to me if there's a discussion cropping up, so I wonder how okill was buggered three times without me being called earlier already to sort this out. This is exactly the situation we'd like to avoid. However, I don't see how plainly ignoring a security member's instructions three times because you "didn't get a reasonable explanation" is proper handling of the situation, either.
Regards,
Gyro
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First off, I think he meant YOU asked him three times that night. And second: There is no person named "o kill" as official member of the stage-crew.
Anyway, I think it's time for our moderators to clean up this thread to it's original intention and move the discussion somewhere else.
o kill:
Let me make clear that I never said that I was part of staff or stage crew. I gave them the opportunity to see part of my face trough my suit and even showed my badge+lanyard. I would have expected that Dhary would have recognised me.
What I did mentioned is that I spend quite amount of effort and time in helping getting lights up and running.
It also might not have helped that at the time that I was in suit, the surroundings are noisy and that I was approached by 3 people at once requesting me to change my shirt.
And that approach made me feel not-appreciated to what I have done to help out.(even if it was not intended that way, but at the time I did feel that way.)
I find it a bit offensive to say that I was drunk as I never drink enough to even get intoxicated.
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