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Eurofurence Community => Special Interests => Topic started by: agrajag_fur on 21.01.2009, 14:15:05
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I've recently got back into airbrushing and was considering bringing my equipment along to do some body painting:
- Would anyone be interested in being a canvas?
- Would anyone pay (contribute) for it - the makeup isn't free?
- I assume there'd be some limitations on how much of the body is on display.
- Are people free to walk around in the paint?
- Where could I do it?
- Would it be worth doing as a SIG?
If people are interested I can make arrangements before the con as I'll have to stock up on paint and get some concepts in mind.
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i may well like to take part in this as a canvas, and i do believe this might well be worth doing as a SIG :)
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Please make sure that the paint you're using does not rub off onto other furs or even fursuits when hugging. We had this in the past, it's not nice. Even when the paint should theoretically wash out cleanly, which I think wasn't the case on one fursuit.
*purrrr*
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I'm sure you would get enough interest in doing it as a SIG, but there would be some major considerations to take in mind. Mostly, all of the SIG rooms are carpeted, so you would have to bring protective covers (tarps, sheets, etc.), so as not to damage the room. As for how "naked" you could get for the painting, I know it's stated in the terms and agreements of the con. But, roughly, a t-shirt, shorts, and sandals would be a bare minimum (no exposed private parts, male or female) when walking around the hotel, but in the SIG itself, you could probably get away with just shorts as long as no one objected, assuming the person being painted was male.
As for walking around the hotel, it's mostly common sense that would have to be used. No damaging the chairs, tables, or carpet of the hotel with the paint, regardless of how easy it is suppose to be to wash off. Also, there is the major concern of damaging other's fursuits. I know furs have used bodypaint in public areas during previous cons.
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Oh I completely agree - I wouldn't want to get paint all over my fursuit however I would say that I couldn't be responsible for the behaviour of individuals who had been painted.
The paints I use are water based and are dry when they are on the skin, unlike oil based ones.
Please make sure that the paint you're using does not rub off onto other furs or even fursuits when hugging. We had this in the past, it's not nice. Even when the paint should theoretically wash out cleanly, which I think wasn't the case on one fursuit.
*purrrr*
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I would make sure that the room was protected. I have done this in my house at home and know what steps to take to prevent splashes, spillages and, most importantly spray drift.
I would prefer not to paint private parts, either in public or private. That's a bit of a boundary for me. I have seen a few faces and arms painted at the cons before.
I would recommend not getting painted up, going out in the rain or dancing up a sweat and then hugging people as any water would make the paint run.
I'm sure you would get enough interest in doing it as a SIG, but there would be some major considerations to take in mind. Mostly, all of the SIG rooms are carpeted, so you would have to bring protective covers (tarps, sheets, etc.), so as not to damage the room. As for how "naked" you could get for the painting, I know it's stated in the terms and agreements of the con. But, roughly, a t-shirt, shorts, and sandals would be a bare minimum (no exposed private parts, male or female) when walking around the hotel, but in the SIG itself, you could probably get away with just shorts as long as no one objected, assuming the person being painted was male.
As for walking around the hotel, it's mostly common sense that would have to be used. No damaging the chairs, tables, or carpet of the hotel with the paint, regardless of how easy it is suppose to be to wash off. Also, there is the major concern of damaging other's fursuits. I know furs have used bodypaint in public areas during previous cons.
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I'd like to learn how to make face bodypaint - lion - on my own. I have my own paints :-) So SIG should be great.
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Mew,
well, I've always been interested in body paintings - I've even started training brushing (on paper) some years ago but lost it again.
I'd happily volunteer for brushed on (I'd pay for the needed stuff as well)
If you want to make a SIG out of it - go for it, I'd say :) - its creative, its interesting, its artistic - so really good for a SIG :) If the weather permits, it could be done outside as well (better air over time).
As for the Fursuits: well - there have been unfortunate happenings with paint on bodies, though I wouldn't really call those (supposed) party fun things "body paintings" like those we are speaking about here. And of course one should avoid damage to other peoples stuff (I dont even care if this stuff washes out of clothes or not - it has to be avoided).
As for private parts: painting them would make the whole thing private as public display of genitals (not even artificial ones of fursuits) is not allowed in public. So.. yeah... *g*
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Last year I was unvoluntarily bodypainted in fursuit by someone colorful hugging me while being slightly drunk. That paint was also waterbased and wasn't supposed to rub off... but as nothing ever goes as it's planned people sweat and the paint gets transferred no matter what.
So I suggest keep Bodypainting and painted individuals to the Sig-Rooms or perhaps outside, but make totally clear they aren't supposed to go to packed areas like the lobby and the dancefloor like that (and the elevators), and not get drunk either. Otherwise it becomes your responsibility, too, as the one who paints them.
The paint did wash out last year, but still I was quite annoyed when I wanted to suit up for a suitwalk in town last year and realized my formerly white suitnose was pink and blue. Not cool.
Jojo
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I am now of the opinion that this is going to be too much aggravation to do as there's no way I can police people or force them to take the paint off or control where they go and who or how they interact with others.
Last year I was unvoluntarily bodypainted in fursuit by someone colorful hugging me while being slightly drunk. That paint was also waterbased and wasn't supposed to rub off... but as nothing ever goes as it's planned people sweat and the paint gets transferred no matter what.
So I suggest keep Bodypainting and painted individuals to the Sig-Rooms or perhaps outside, but make totally clear they aren't supposed to go to packed areas like the lobby and the dancefloor like that (and the elevators), and not get drunk either. Otherwise it becomes your responsibility, too, as the one who paints them.
The paint did wash out last year, but still I was quite annoyed when I wanted to suit up for a suitwalk in town last year and realized my formerly white suitnose was pink and blue. Not cool.
Jojo
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Aww man, that really sucks... Would've been a really neat SIG...
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Well, during the dances, bodypainting is a definite NO GO, because paint will be rubbed on innocent dancers and expensive fursuits, which is not good. We do not have a clear policy on bodypainting otherwise ... we'll discuss this among the staff and let you know the result.
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Thanks Cheetah.
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I am now of the opinion that this is going to be too much aggravation to do as there's no way I can police people or force them to take the paint off or control where they go and who or how they interact with others.
pitty...
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Well, during the dances, bodypainting is a definite NO GO, because paint will be rubbed on innocent dancers and expensive fursuits, which is not good. We do not have a clear policy on bodypainting otherwise ... we'll discuss this among the staff and let you know the result.
ok, let's wait...
but it should be really pitty forbid it...
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Well,
The first obstacle is to get a place at the convention. I've been going for three years now and have seen the popularity grow so I'm guessing it's going to be more difficult this year.
Secondly If I go ahead and do this I think the best way would be to just paint up one or two people specifically for the SIG. The agreement would have to be that they only get painted if they're careful with it and don't go into the dance etc...
As for others - no reason why I couldn't do a face or two I suppose - less risky than a whole body - but I'll leave that up to the committee / chairman.
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I see a problem with the body painting because even if we would have rules to lead it a little bit... fun, party and some alcohol can make people less thoughtful about some rules they might have seen once.... You know what I mean? I am a little bit scared that we could have some really serious pissed of people if something goes wrong with it.
Just my opinion
So long
Hidalgo
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I see a problem with the body painting because even if we would have rules to lead it a little bit... fun, party and some alcohol can make people less thoughtful about some rules they might have seen once.... You know what I mean? I am a little bit scared that we could have some really serious pissed of people if something goes wrong with it.
Just my opinion
So long
Hidalgo
SIGs happen early enough in the day, that it shouldn't be much of a problem, as long as the "models" are reasonable enough people. All SIG programming is usually done before dinner, which is well before any dances.
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I completely agree. That's why I'm not proposing to do it as a free for all.
I have had a brainwave (I'm known for having a wavey Brain)!
What if I painted a zentai suit while someone was wearing one? I've not done it before but it means I wouldn't have to use body paint - it could be ink which would be permanent and also the suit could be removed.
In fact I know that HR Giger has done this before. I've got a pic in one of my books somewhere.
I see a problem with the body painting because even if we would have rules to lead it a little bit... fun, party and some alcohol can make people less thoughtful about some rules they might have seen once.... You know what I mean? I am a little bit scared that we could have some really serious pissed of people if something goes wrong with it.
Just my opinion
So long
Hidalgo
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That idea with the zentai there is absolutely brilliant - if you go ahead with it, i'd love to volunteer, and will of course bring the suit (needs to fit, yeah? ;) )
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.... that it shouldn't be much of a problem, as long as the "models" are reasonable enough people. All SIG programming is usually done before dinner, which is well before any dances.
Right... it shouldn't.....but...it could and I am pretty sure it would in some way. ;) Thats what I am talking about...
So long
Hidalgo
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Well for my part i will be pissed if someone ruins the suit. Please be responsible enough to not mess up expensive suits. :)
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Hey there.
The whole bodypainting discussion is still going on, but I'd *personally* like to keep a relatively lax attitude.
Yes, there have been a handful of bodypainted furs around who were not careful enough, especially after getting drunk and hugging everybody and the kitchen sink (literally, I could image, later at night). However, there's still a simple rule in effect: You break it, you pay for it. If somebody ruins someone else's attire, be it with bodypaint, a cocktail or a snot rocket, that somebody has to undo the damage. Simple as that.
The dances and certain fursuit events are a special matter, though. It's way too easy there to bump into someone and leave some permanent, expensive damage. Henceforth I'd like to see no bodypaint during the dance or in a pile of fursuits. Facepaint is a difficult gray area, but most likely not a real problem, even during the dance. It might be easier to ban paint from the dance altogether, though, and there's plenty of time beforehand to prance around in your colorful attire. Unfortunately, especially the glowing paint is *way cool* and adds a lot to the atmosphere.
Why so lax?
I don't see a sensible way to police issues away that merely could happen, if the expected damage is rather low. You know, basic risk calculation. During the dance and in (fursuit) crowds, the risk is much higher und should be avoided, but it's a slippery slope we're getting onto if we're trying to replace basic, personal responsibility with rules. We're not in the U.S. after all! ;)
What I'd certainly NOT advocate is holding the *painter* responsible for any damage done. The coloring's sole purpose is NOT rubbing off on others and causing damage. :)
My 2ยข,
Gyro
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a snot rocket
gross.
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I wore facepaint and bodypaint at RBW and I didnt damage anyone's suit. Yes people hugging me turned them blue but there was nothing to do about that. I went into the dances with it on, it classed as being sensible about it I think.
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It might be possible that you didn't damage anything... but you are not everyone.... that is the problem. We need and we will have rules about body painting.
If the people hug you... it is their own problem I think. We are more talking about collateral damage.
So long
Hidalgo
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*cought* I watched some films from beastpaint. The actors were bodypainted and that paint did not get off to the other in their close encounter.
Why do not use that type of paint and have the bodypaint-SIG at thursday. The paint would last for the con and should be able to remove before going back to normal days life.
It depents how expensive it will be, but I am stronly interested in being painted. Do not have to be the colours of a lion, could be a pattern of something else. :)
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Paintie Leone ;)
Sorry.. I couldn't resist.
Hidalgo
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*cought* I watched some films from beastpaint.
Oh, yes, I just looked that up last night. Interesting website, not quite what I had in mind for a SIG.
I am going to order a zentai suit and experiment with some ink on it. I think that would solve most of the issues raised so far. I will keep you posted.
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Why do not use that type of paint and have the bodypaint-SIG at thursday. The paint would last for the con and should be able to remove before going back to normal days life.
I agree, but the problem is, how permanent body paint is depends on a million factors. And even if it weren't, I don't see any way to actually enforce this without generating a lot of red tape. I don't want the rules about this to get too complicated.
At the moment I tend to allowing bodypainting as an art form, but only under supervision, and with strong limitations what the painted persons are allowed to do. Sitting down on chairs and leaning on walls is probably one of the things they won't be allowed to do :) Also, we'd have to make clear that the dress code policies also go for painted people. The discussion is still going on in the staff forum.
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Well for my part i will be pissed if someone ruins the suit. Please be responsible enough to not mess up expensive suits. :)
No, we will go out and hug each fursuit wearing person on the con to wreak the most havoc possible! ;) ...yes, common sense is a good thing :)