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Title: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 15:04:53
Hello everyone!

I've just made three consecutive postings in this thread in the announcements forum, publishing the new prices for EF16, a description of the new room categories, and a lengthy explanation what made the price increase necessary and why we did what we did:

http://forum.eurofurence.org/index.php/topic,2125.msg19078.html#msg19078

If you have any remarks or questions, feel free to post them here.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Rallicat on 10.01.2010, 15:53:31
Thanks for keeping us all updated, I for one expected that prices would go up, and whilst it's a shame that the law has pushed prices up further, I'm sure everyone understands that it is beyond your control.

At least with the new hotel, there are a more flexible set of options and choices for rooms and registration levels, so people can choose what to pay for, and decide what's important to them.

Looking forward to it already, I know you'll make the convention a great event for us all!

--
Rallicat
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: djem on 10.01.2010, 16:11:36
Just a fast question that might interess everyone :

Those it's possible to firstly take and pay just the Basic Con Fee + a Standar Shared Double Room; and after update it, for a better room, sponsor or extra day ? :)

Thanks !
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 16:22:20
Just a fast question that might interess everyone :

Those it's possible to firstly take and pay just the Basic Con Fee + a Standar Shared Double Room; and after update it, for a better room, sponsor or extra day ? :)

For a better room category: Depends on the availability. From our experience, the higher-class rooms are usually gone fast. The extra days and sponsor can be added anytime.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: WhiteShadowFox on 10.01.2010, 17:40:21
"Supersponsors get reserved seats at main stage, access to exclusive events"

How did you came up with this idea :S?
I find it unpleasant to know if you have lots of money you can reserve a seat at the main stage front row while the people with less money wait in line maybe a hour before and end up in the back :S?

Also it would be nice to know what those exclusive events are :S? are there going to be VIP party's or what :S?

Could you explain this "supersponsor part" more than just the small line?
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: drayygon on 10.01.2010, 17:48:53
Cheetah did put that the events for them would be announced, meaning nothing set yet. And reserved seats for super sponsors isn't anything new, it is done at AC for one thing.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: djem on 10.01.2010, 17:53:59
"Supersponsors get reserved seats at main stage, access to exclusive events"

How did you came up with this idea :S?
I find it unpleasant to know if you have lots of money you can reserve a seat at the main stage front row while the people with less money wait in line maybe a hour before and end up in the back :S?

Also it would be nice to know what those exclusive events are :S? are there going to be VIP party's or what :S?

Could you explain this "supersponsor part" more than just the small line?

I quite agree with you White, not really cool to show who is rich and who is not ... but the other hand, if it allow EF to have more money, I think everyone will take some benefits from it :)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Shivon on 10.01.2010, 18:10:23
Prices have definitely increased.... A LOT! Compared to last year, I have to pay 125 euro more for the same thing. And that's not including the fee for the parking. Which is if I am not mistaken, 18 euro a day. And if I would stay there from Tuesday till Monday, it would cost me about 100 euro. So that is an increase of 225 euro, and that's without food, drinks and fuel.

I knew the hotel was gonna be more expensive, but 225 euro more??? Either I did some serious miscalculations, or that is a serious increase in price.

Not really too happy about it... Will have to sort some options out :).

Anyway, I would love to know more about the 3 persons in one room option. Cheetah has already told me it's possible on request and it will be a double room + extra bed, but I am curious on how the prices will develop on that.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 18:18:36
How did you came up with this idea :S?

Quite simple: We need the money. And we think that people who voluntarily donate an extra €60 or €120 out of their pockets to support the con deserve more gratuity than just an honorable mention and a handshake :)

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I find it unpleasant to know if you have lots of money you can reserve a seat at the main stage front row while the people with less money wait in line maybe a hour before and end up in the back :S?

People with lots of money will even be able to afford a Suite that people with less money can't afford. And they'll be able to afford better food than the people with less money. And they'll even be able to come in an expensive car that people with less money can't afford. Those people with lots of money can really ruin your day, don't they?

But, I suggest looking at it from a different perspective: Those people with lots of money help keeping the con for everyone ELSE affordable. That's the whole point of sponsorship. People who have the money to spare helping out those who can't. Without the sponsors, the regular base price would have to be much higher.

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Also it would be nice to know what those exclusive events are :S? are there going to be VIP party's or what :S?

This is all subject to change, but here are our current ideas: At the moment we're still working out what the exact benefits will be. It may be an exclusive dinner with the Guest of Honor, or something similar. We're also thinking about opening the art show one hour earlier for supersponsors, so they can have the first look. We're still thinking of more benefits things that don't cost us much, and do not put anybody else at an unfair disadvantage and that allow us to show our gratitude for the extra donation.

If you're worried about being left out, please don't forget that the new hotel has about four times the seating space than the Ringberg hotel had, and that they're unlikely to be hundrets of supersponsors taking away all the space.

Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 18:25:24
Prices have definitely increased.... A LOT! Compared to last year, I have to pay 125 euro more for the same thing. And that's not including the fee for the parking. Which is if I am not mistaken, 18 euro a day. And if I would stay there from Tuesday till Monday, it would cost me about 100 euro. So that is an increase of 225 euro, and that's without food, drinks and fuel.

Yup. As I wrote earlier, that's more expensive as we wanted it to be. We had calculated the original prices that were announced at EF15 for a 50€ increase for the base package maximum. The recent events thoroughly screwed with our plans.  

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I knew the hotel was gonna be more expensive, but 225 euro more??? Either I did some serious miscalculations, or that is a serious increase in price.

Where do you draw that 225 euro difference from?

EF15: Late, early, double room, confee = 35 + 35 + 100 + 60 = 230 (edit ... 35, not 45, sorry )
EF16: Late, early, double room, confee = 55 + 55 + 160 + 80 = 350

That's 120 euros, not 225. Please stay realistic :) 

You do not have to use the parking garage of the hotel. You can park your car anywhere in the streets (which should be safe if it's empty), or do car sharing and also share the parking costs. It was a lot worse in Nurenberg.

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Not really too happy about it...

Nobody is, believe me.

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Anyway, I would love to know more about the 3 persons in one room option. Cheetah has already told me it's possible on request and it will be a double room + extra bed, but I am curious on how the prices will develop on that.

The hotel offers roughly 10% discount for 3 persons in a double room. You won't be able to book it from within the registration system, at least not from the start, since supplies of extra beds are limited.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Shivon on 10.01.2010, 18:41:36
EF15: Late, early, double room, confee, sponsor was 285 euro.
EF16: Late, early, double room, confee, sponsor  = 55 + 55 + 160 + 80 + 60 = 410 euro.

The difference between the two is 125 euro. And yes, I know I can save 60 euro by not doing the sponsor, but I did that last year, so why not this year. At least the T-Shirt and the other stuff is included, which saves money too :).

And then we have the parking. There might be cheaper options that will cost around the 10 euro a day, but that still leaves me with 60 euro extra. Still coming back to the 125 euro if I do not choose for sponsor. And 185 euro with sponsor.

I'm not really a man for complaining about money when we are all having a good time, but it has to be within limits :P. So I gotta do same serious saving the next months, so I can pay the extra difference. And I am guessing that payment must be done within 2 weeks after registration :P.

Also about the 3 persons in one room. I really do hope I am one of the lucky ones. If not, I will have to go in the process again of finding a roommate, which for me, is quite a challange, since I am picky with who I choose :P.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 18:58:58
The difference between the two is 125 euro.

You wrote 225 :) Must have been a typo then.

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And yes, I know I can save 60 euro by not doing the sponsor, but I did that last year, so why not this year. At least the T-Shirt and the other stuff is included, which saves money too :).

And of course your donation is most welcome :)

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I'm not really a man for complaining about money when we are all having a good time, but it has to be within limits :P

It is within limits :) I've just withdrawn the money I need to pay for my room at the Fairmont Hotel (Further Confusion). $250 for my share of a triple room, standard category ... it's what hotel rooms cost nowadays. Find me a place that will house 2000 persons for less and has the necessary convention infrastructure, and I'll give you a free membership for the rest of your life :)

For the regular room rate at the Maritim, you'd pay 500€ for EF, by the way. So the 160€ we offer it for, is a true bargain :)

Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: SouthPaw on 10.01.2010, 19:23:54
Nobody is forcing you to go to Eurofurence. Attendance isn't a mandatory requirement for being a fur. ;-)

Yes, the increase compared to the estimates on the flyer is unfortunate, but there's very little that the organisers can do about it, other than cancelling the contract and looking for somewhere else...Which would probably cost a small fortune in cancellation fees.

The venue is a four star city centre Hotel. In that context, €40 per person per night is a very reasonable rate. (Having said that, I live in London, where room rates of €70+ per person per night are not unheard of).

You don't HAVE to stop at the convention hotel at all. A quick look at Google Maps shows Magdeburg Youth Hostel as being a short walk away, with rates from €20 per person per night. Alternative parking is also available near the station from around €9 per day.

Just my 2p's worth,

Southie
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: EosFoxx on 10.01.2010, 19:24:08

For the regular room rate at the Maritim, you'd pay 500€ for EF, by the way. So the 160€ we offer it for, is a true bargain :)


Woah! Didn't know that yet.
I looked it up on their website it say the cheapest would be 93,- € PER DAY.
omg - thanks you made that deal with them for us.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Shivon on 10.01.2010, 19:30:19
Ooooohh, free membership for the rest of my life :D. That sounds very tempting ;). But I also know the price to get such a thing and for me that would be impossible to give ya :).

How ever, I know I can cough up the money and I know I want to spend it on EF, but I guess the sudden increase compared with last year might be overwhelming at first sight. Let's just hope that the food and the drinks remain good priced :).

The only thing I gotta worry about now is getting that third bed. Even though I am thinking that it's not really optimal. Is the extra bed limited to standard room only or does it also fit in superior?

Thanks for the answers so far Cheetah :).
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cookie on 10.01.2010, 19:51:55
You do not have to use the parking garage of the hotel. You can park your car anywhere in the streets (which should be safe if it's empty), or do car sharing and also share the parking costs.

In the streets next to the biggest train station of the city, that's highly unrealistic that there will be space left for at least 200 cars (estimate done seeing last year's parking at the hotel)... really...

(Magdeburg being the capital city of Sachsen-anhalt, and also a popular spot to go to by train to Hannover and Berlin...  it's an awfully busy train station)

I wouldn't count on it .....
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: djem on 10.01.2010, 19:56:46
On Booking.com their is still 5 room left during EF, cheapest one with lowest option is 82E per night, *4 it makes 328, deided by 2, 164, still more expensive ten the offer made by EF.

But well, it might be expensive, but it's not like if EF was trying to  make money, it's juste the price they pay for it. Even if it's quite hight :)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Jumpy on 10.01.2010, 20:05:09
On Booking.com their is still 5 room left during EF, cheapest one with lowest option is 82E per night, *4 it makes 328, deided by 2, 164, still more expensive ten the offer made by EF.

Are you sure booking.com has it right? It is highly unusual for Germany to have a per room rate. All rates are always per person and night.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Schakaline on 10.01.2010, 20:12:44
But EF3 was only €40.90! BAAAAWWWHWHHWWWW!!!1  ::)

What happens if I make a booking for a room category that's sold out? Say I want a studio and they're all taken, do I just get bumped into a Superior instead or is the registration system actually able to handle this? :P
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Fritti on 10.01.2010, 20:17:37
As I have never gone to a con in my life before, therefore not having any frame of reference, I have to say that with how everything has been going up in price due to the economic recession, this price increase for a place as luxurious as the Maritim hotel is still very manageable. Sure, it might be a bit steep all at once, but at least everyone is still given plenty of advance notice, and as has been pointed out, it's the fault of the German laws (yay governments!) =~.^=

I do have a question, though, not quite sure where to ask it but since it concerns the fee and room payments, I figured to ask here. Or at least, I'll ask here where I should ask my actual question =~.^= As I said it's the very first time in my life I'll be going to a con, and I have been offered the chance by a good friend who will also take care of the expenses for me. So I am wondering, how does it work with the registration when someone offered to pay the fees for you? Can I ask about that here openly, or should I PM someone of the staff for that?

Thanks in advance for the help! =^_^=
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 20:19:23
What happens if I make a booking for a room category that's sold out? Say I want a studio and they're all taken, do I just get bumped into a Superior instead or is the registration system actually able to handle this? :P

You'll get an email from us that the category is booked out, and then you can decide what you'd like to do.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 20:21:43
I have been offered the chance by a good friend who will also take care of the expenses for me. So I am wondering, how does it work with the registration when someone offered to pay the fees for you? Can I ask about that here openly, or should I PM someone of the staff for that?

You can register and let your friend pay for you, no problem. After registereing you'll receive an email with our account number and our paypal address. Simply hand those to your friend and let him transfer the money for you.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 20:22:44
On Booking.com their is still 5 room left during EF, cheapest one with lowest option is 82E per night, *4 it makes 328, deided by 2, 164, still more expensive ten the offer made by EF.

No "divided by 2". What booking.com shows you (328 €) is alread the "per person" price :)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Schakaline on 10.01.2010, 20:26:27
On Booking.com their is still 5 room left during EF, cheapest one with lowest option is 82E per night, *4 it makes 328, deided by 2, 164, still more expensive ten the offer made by EF.

Are you sure booking.com has it right? It is highly unusual for Germany to have a per room rate. All rates are always per person and night.

Not neccessarily. A lot of hotel chains are taking on the per-room price model these days. Accor Group does this, for instance, and I think Maritim has similar offers on their web site when I last checked it. Usually these are special rates, though.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Fritti on 10.01.2010, 20:27:00
I have been offered the chance by a good friend who will also take care of the expenses for me. So I am wondering, how does it work with the registration when someone offered to pay the fees for you? Can I ask about that here openly, or should I PM someone of the staff for that?

You can register and let your friend pay for you, no problem. After registereing you'll receive an email with our account number and our paypal address. Simply hand those to your friend and let him transfer the money for you.


Alright, thank you very much! He has been to EF before a couple of times, so he should know exactly where to transfer all the expenses to. Of course we'll be sharing a room, and he already informed me on how to have us appointed as roommates on the registration form, so I don't foresee any troubles there.

Thank you again for the help! =^_^=
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Schakaline on 10.01.2010, 20:34:54
You do not have to use the parking garage of the hotel. You can park your car anywhere in the streets (which should be safe if it's empty), or do car sharing and also share the parking costs.

In the streets next to the biggest train station of the city, that's highly unrealistic that there will be space left for at least 200 cars (estimate done seeing last year's parking at the hotel)... really...

(Magdeburg being the capital city of Sachsen-anhalt, and also a popular spot to go to by train to Hannover and Berlin...  it's an awfully busy train station)

I wouldn't count on it .....

It's a city of 230,000. That's not exactly big per se.. :P

Besides, there is a shopping mall with a rather big car park right next to the hotel that charges about half as much as the garage directly under the hotel. It's just a matter of crossing the street vs. having direct lift access. (Which, by the way, is a great thing to have, at least for unloading).

FWIW, one can always take the train.  ::)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cookie on 10.01.2010, 20:46:35
It migt not be such a big city per se, but it's one of the main stations on the axis Hannover-Berlin.. therefore, quite busy (even with everyday commuters)

I don't mind crossing the road or anything.. it's just that the phrase "you'll find easily a place to park in the street"... nah.. not realistic at all, when you're talking about parking more than 200 cars in one or two days, around a busy train station.
So you HAVE to add parking prices on top of the rest...

FWIW, one can always take the train.  ::)

Not an option for fursuiters who are also sellers or artists, i'm afraid... (i calculated i'd have at least 5 suitcases to fit all my merchandise, suits and clothing)...
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Honey on 10.01.2010, 22:16:01
I dont know if this question belongs here but is it possible to book a room at the hotel through the hotels homepage, at the time EF is running without doing it through the EF registration system? I thought EF had booked the whole hotel except those permant residents there were living there?
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cheetah on 10.01.2010, 22:42:39
I dont know if this question belongs here but is it possible to book a room at the hotel through the hotels homepage, at the time EF is running without doing it through the EF registration system? I thought EF had booked the whole hotel except those permant residents there were living there?

Hotels that sell their space through travel agencies may have to guarantee a minimum number of rooms to be bookable at any time.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Honey on 10.01.2010, 22:51:30
Okay thanks for the answer :)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Schakaline on 10.01.2010, 23:48:35
Here's some parking garage stuff I found within 5 minutes of googling, so that people finally stop complaining about the baaaawwww 18€ per day baaawww fee. =)

(this info will all be worked into the web site eventually when it launches)


Allee-Center
Ernst-Reuter-Allee 11

Über 4.000 Fahrzeuge steuern täglich die über 1.300 Parkplätze in unserem Center an. Auch in diesem Bereich gilt unsere Devise: helle, sichere, saubere und übersichtliche Parkplätze. Unser Parkhausbüro im 2. Obergeschoss rundet unseren Service rund ums Parken ab. Es dient neben dem Parkwertkarten-Verkauf auch als Fundbüro.

Gebührenordnung

- 1. Stunde 0,30 €
- 2. Stunde 0,60 €
- 3. Stunde 1,00 €
- jede weitere angefangene Stunde 1,00 €
- Verlust der Parkkarte 10,00 €
- Tagessatz 14,00 €

Parkwertkarte

Parken und 10 % Sparen mit der Parkwertkarte

Ihre Vorteile auf einen Blick:

- Park-Wertkarten im Wert von 10,- sowie 20,- und 50,- Euro
- Jederzeit wieder aufladbar
- 10 % Bonus - Vorteil für Sie
- Keine lästige Kleingeldsuche und kein Warten am Kassenautomaten

Parkhausbüro: 0391/5334433




Lage:     City Carré
Adresse:    Kantstraße 4
Tel.    0391 - 53 11 253
Öffnungszeiten:    Mo. - Sa. 06.00 - 02.00 Uhr
\nSo. 09.00 - 02.00 Uhr
Stellplätze:    1.180
Tarife:    1.00 €/Stunde
9.00 €/Tag



There also is an open car park a bit down the street at Hasselbachstraße, but I didn't find any prices for that on the (very very VERY VERY poorly designed) Magdeburg Tourist page. Looks like they have separate private enterprises running their public car parks instead of a citywide operator. Yeech, East Germany...   ::) [/rant]
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Shivon on 11.01.2010, 00:16:31
Thank you Doco :D. Gonna bookmark those parking areas in my navigation system :P.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: K9Primate on 11.01.2010, 23:06:09
For the ones looking for a free parking place in Magdeburg.

After looking around a bit I found two parking places.
The problem is, they are quite a distance (about 4km) from the hotel, but you get what you'd paid for (a long walk  ;D).

1 hour walk to the hotel: http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=0&t=m&q=11.66445E,52.15453N

Or here (only if there isn't a trade fair (messe) during our stay, than it is not free), about 45 minutes walk to the hotel: http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=0&t=m&q=11.67233E,52.13271N

Quite possibly there are some more or less (maybe smaller) hidden free parking places nearer to the hotel.
But somehow it is proving to be quite a challenge for me to proof their existence.

[edit]
Also here is a list of some parking spaces: http://www.movi.de/parkinfo/uebersicht.htm
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Skie on 12.01.2010, 00:08:40
This makes me feel sad and wanting to hug cheetah :(
As I'm sure none of the EF staff wanted any of that.

The reason for moving to a new hotel was the increase in attendance, and now the high prices might prevent people from coming :/

I was wondering if there is any additional info regarding a 3rd roomie, as even those 10% makes a big difference for me.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: djem on 12.01.2010, 07:28:29
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The reason for moving to a new hotel was the increase in attendance, and now the high prices might prevent people from coming :/

Well I think people that really want to come to EF will find a way to pay for it :) Specially by reducing other cost : sharing car or reserving train tickets long time before the con, eating outside of the hotel and spend less money at the bar ;) It's quite fun to see how fast you can save money from little things when you think a bit about it ;)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Fritti on 12.01.2010, 14:26:13
It's quite fun to see how fast you can save money from little things when you think a bit about it ;)

True, very true. A lot of little things can add up to a big saving.

And hey! Who knows it might even bring new friendships, if groups of furs come together for a picnic or something with simple, cheap food bought in the local supermarkets to save on the dining costs =^_^=
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cookie on 13.01.2010, 13:02:36
I bet that there will be a lOT less money spent on art and goodies at the con, too...

The auctions won't reach the prices they did last year either, i assume...

(still can't believe that someone spent more than my monthly rent on a piece of art.. :o)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: djem on 13.01.2010, 13:18:06
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I bet that there will be a lOT less money spent on art and goodies at the con, too...

I'm not that sure because :

- Between the registration, paying your entry at the con, and the con itself theire his a cople of month where people can make some economie, and can spend that on art or goodies at the con.

- Even if the con itself is more expensive, people make the difference between that price, and the value of art, it's two separate things ;)

Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Fritti on 13.01.2010, 18:25:10
You're probably right about that, djem. There is planty of time between mid-February and the end of August to save up, after all. But I think Cookie is right as well; from what I heard around FA, the past year things have not been going very well at the cons in the US, with people spending a lot less money on art and auctions and such. Dealers often didn't sell nearly as much as they used to, and many things were sold for less than the original prices too. Still, the news around the Netherlands is that the economy is slowly beginning to rise back up from the pit it has been in during 2009, so who knows how things may look by August? =^_^= I guess we will just have to hope the best of it, and I know that I for one will be doing my best to save up as much as I can so I can bring myself lots of lovely mementoes from the very first con I will be visiting in my life! =~.^=
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: ANTIcarrot on 13.01.2010, 18:54:00
- Between the registration, paying your entry at the con, and the con itself theire his a cople of month where people can make some economie, and can spend that on art or goodies at the con.

One of the driving forces of any economy though is inflation. And EF has just experienced 40% annual inflation on their basic unit of exchange: convention attendence. And it's 10% worse on top of that for some of us outside the euro zone. I doubt anyone's income will match that increase. Buyers will have less to spend while at the same time sellers will need to increase their prices to break even. The good news is that EF's new venue allows it to achieve significant market growth - if people can afford the hotel.

Here's hoping we pass the 1100 mark this year.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Nightfox on 13.01.2010, 21:56:28
@ ANTIcarrot

Whats your point?
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Cookie on 14.01.2010, 12:45:27
What is "funny" somehow is that, as less people will probably come than expected, as they can't afford the prices (i know personnaly at least 6 people that declined to go this year due to the raise in price), we almost could have stayed in the Ringberg hotel, in fact (if the prices would be that high there too)...

Ironic :)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Nightfox on 14.01.2010, 18:13:52
It isn't ironic at all :)

We had the exact same situation when we moved to the Ringberg Hotel
People were screamimg "You will never fill that up, they will all stay at home"

And basically we filled it up within the first year.

I think its worse to have a waiting list and people who have to stay out than paying a little more and having enough space for everyone.


And we had the same discission when we moved to Nürnberg too.........
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Schakaline on 14.01.2010, 18:24:15
tl;dr


Maybe you should consider http://www.co-operativebank.co.uk/servlet/Satellite/1193206373705,CFSweb/Page/Bank-Savings and quit whining.  ;D
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Schakaline on 14.01.2010, 18:28:29
I honestly can't see the problem some people here are having. The base fee amounts to about €20 a MONTH if you save up for a year. It's not like EF is sneaking up by surprise without you noticing, like Christmas or your mom's birthday. :P

Well well. For everyone carried away in the waaahmbulance, there's another one just waiting to hop in. Given that this will be the 14th EF in a row I'm attending, I dare to say: Yes, the hotel will be filled.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Skie on 15.01.2010, 13:01:11
It isn't ironic at all :)

We had the exact same situation when we moved to the Ringberg Hotel
People were screamimg "You will never fill that up, they will all stay at home"

And basically we filled it up within the first year.

I think its worse to have a waiting list and people who have to stay out than paying a little more and having enough space for everyone.


And we had the same discission when we moved to Nürnberg too.........

True enough, it's just a big misfortune that above the expected increase in price there is also the tax law issue price increase :/
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: BHO on 16.01.2010, 09:26:58
Hey there, I got one... no two, questions and I hope this is the right place to ask.

Last year the additional options such as Early arrival or the dog permit asf. applied only to those who stayed in the hotel. Is this still the case or has something changed in that matter as well? Just asking because we found an alternate location to stay in and would like to have our calculations firm and solid. :)

Also, how much time will we have to pay the confee this year? Will it be two weeks again or a bit more?

I apologize if somebody may have asked those questions already. In this case I overread them.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: SouthPaw on 16.01.2010, 11:23:39
Hey there, I got one... no two, questions and I hope this is the right place to ask.

Last year the additional options such as Early arrival or the dog permit asf. applied only to those who stayed in the hotel. Is this still the case or has something changed in that matter as well? Just asking because we found an alternate location to stay in and would like to have our calculations firm and solid. :)

Early arrival and late departure, as mentioned by Jumpy in this post (http://forum.eurofurence.org/index.php/topic,2131.msg19129.html#msg19129) on the Q&A board, only applies if you're staying at the convention hotel.

Similarly, I believe the "Dog Permit" partially covers the additional cost of cleaning the hotel room, so would be a matter between you and where you're staying (assuming they allow dogs, other than guide dogs). No doubt someone will be along to correct me if I'm wrong though.

Cheers,

Southie
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: BHO on 16.01.2010, 13:47:27
Early arrival and late departure, as mentioned by Jumpy in this post (http://forum.eurofurence.org/index.php/topic,2131.msg19129.html#msg19129) on the Q&A board, only applies if you're staying at the convention hotel.

*hides in shame* Sorry for not checking that one out, but thank you for claryfying. Our place allows dogs, so I guess we're not affected by the extra fee, which is very helpful. Thanks. :)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Jumpy on 16.01.2010, 21:31:11
Also, how much time will we have to pay the confee this year? Will it be two weeks again or a bit more?

That will not change. Once your registration is accepted and you have received the payment details via mail, you have two weeks to pay (plus a few days we allow for the transfer).
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Shivon on 18.01.2010, 19:23:00
Also, how much time will we have to pay the confee this year? Will it be two weeks again or a bit more?

That will not change. Once your registration is accepted and you have received the payment details via mail, you have two weeks to pay (plus a few days we allow for the transfer).
Any options for this year for paying in installments? Or do we have to pay the full amount within 2 weeks of registration?
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Loewi on 19.01.2010, 20:46:58
Also, how much time will we have to pay the confee this year? Will it be two weeks again or a bit more?

That will not change. Once your registration is accepted and you have received the payment details via mail, you have two weeks to pay (plus a few days we allow for the transfer).
Any options for this year for paying in installments? Or do we have to pay the full amount within 2 weeks of registration?

Sorry, you don't need to ask this again here, don't you? I thought we already talked about it.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Jumpy on 19.01.2010, 23:21:02
Mommy, mommy, can I have a cookie?

No! We'll have lunch soon.

...

Daddy, daddy, can I have a cookie?

...

;)
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Jym on 22.01.2010, 01:10:24
So, just to clarify, because I've not seen it said outright anywhere, no triple rooms? At all?
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Shivon on 25.01.2010, 16:52:57
Also, how much time will we have to pay the confee this year? Will it be two weeks again or a bit more?

That will not change. Once your registration is accepted and you have received the payment details via mail, you have two weeks to pay (plus a few days we allow for the transfer).
Any options for this year for paying in installments? Or do we have to pay the full amount within 2 weeks of registration?

Sorry, you don't need to ask this again here, don't you? I thought we already talked about it.
Yeah sorry, my mistake :). I forgot I asked you the same question. When I asked you I did it for 2 other people :P. But now I might need it for myself xD. But we will see. I know the options now :). Thanks!
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: drayygon on 08.02.2010, 12:26:18
Question, there is no mention of a PayPal charge, what will that be this year?
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: SouthPaw on 08.02.2010, 13:05:42
Question, there is no mention of a PayPal charge, what will that be this year?

Not an official answer, but PayPal's standard cross-border rate is berween 1,9% + €0,35 and 3,9% + €0,35, so I'd hazard a guess that it'll be somewhere around the €10 to €15 mark.

Cheers,

Southie
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Loewi on 08.02.2010, 13:37:44
Question, there is no mention of a PayPal charge, what will that be this year?

Not an official answer, but PayPal's standard cross-border rate is berween 1,9% + €0,35 and 3,9% + €0,35, so I'd hazard a guess that it'll be somewhere around the €10 to €15 mark.

Cheers,

Southie


It will be 10 Euro per Registration this year.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: Tekumseh on 24.02.2010, 12:38:28
So, just to clarify, because I've not seen it said outright anywhere, no triple rooms? At all?

As stated somewhere in this forum (I'm too lazy to search for the thread atm): write an email to reg@eurofurence.org - its is available for a limitted amount only, so its not a standard option.
Title: Re: New prices - discussion thread
Post by: leopard on 13.03.2010, 19:30:38
Hmm, I think price is still fine.
never been con's earlier so cant compare for those, but 350€ and Ill get con fee + room for 6? nights (shared tho.) and hotel seems to be ok quality.
At finland small room at small town cost easily 500€ for 2 persons & 2 night, whiskey glass in same hotel 9€ and beer 6,50€ :)

Tho, some "1 star" hotel would fit for me as well, never would know what you find in your room in those :D