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Title: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 11.08.2010, 21:38:02
So, in case anybody of you has been pondering if it's worth upgrading, the definitive list of Sponsor and Super-Sponsor Goodies has now been finalised :)

Sponsor-Benefits


Super-Sponsor-Benefits


Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Skie on 11.08.2010, 22:06:05
Nice to see the list. Great stuff.

Not sure what Priority Line at Art Sales exactly means.

I think Early Access to Dealer's Room is the only unfair benefit in my opinion  (it's just an opinion! no killing wuff!)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: draconigen on 11.08.2010, 22:21:39
I would love to see those Bathroom Towels with stitched EF16 Logo for sale somewhat later. That reminds me: Eurofurence Shop. ;)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: ysegrim on 12.08.2010, 00:15:52
In my opinion, the idea of (super) sponsor benefits is that you get something you *won't* get otherwise ...
So I would prefer if the towel is exclusive, and the early access priviledge is fair in the sense of "everybody could have become a sponsor". But I am not neutral here ...
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: RealZero on 12.08.2010, 05:52:12
Oh damn, sure, the priority stuff and seating and all is nice, but I honestly am mostly looking forward to that towel and mug (and Kage, of course, but I fear we will not be allowed to keep him^^), as stupid as it might sound, I'd love to get a bit more "furryness" into my everyday life with that. *laughs*

So far those gifts all seem like a nice choice, I'm excited to see them "live" in the end.
Sounds all like nice ideas to me so far, so, thanks already for this, cannot wait to see how the stuff turns out.^^

Greetings,
RealZero
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cairyn on 12.08.2010, 10:28:30
Not sure what Priority Line at Art Sales exactly means.

It's a second customer waiting line / queue in the Art Sales reserved for Sponsors that is designed to move twice as fast as the normal guest line, on average.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Skie on 12.08.2010, 13:51:47
Not sure what Priority Line at Art Sales exactly means.

It's a second customer waiting line / queue in the Art Sales reserved for Sponsors that is designed to move twice as fast as the normal guest line, on average.


You mean when we check out bids we won?
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cairyn on 12.08.2010, 14:39:36
You mean when we check out bids we won?

Exactly. So bid early, bid often ;-)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Skie on 12.08.2010, 17:07:37
You mean when we check out bids we won?

Exactly. So bid early, bid often ;-)


Aww, unfortunately my favorite artist isn't making it, but I'm sure I'll find some nice things to bid on :)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Pony on 13.08.2010, 09:18:32
Yay towel and exclusive events and exclusive spots at Stage events!
For another 60 this might be not such a bad idea actually, considering one also helps and appreciates the incredible staff behind Eurofurence making all this possible for us each year.
*Starts pondering and calculating.*
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Whitefang on 14.08.2010, 00:02:27
I think Early Access to Dealer's Room is the only unfair benefit in my opinion  (it's just an opinion! no killing wuff!)

I totally agree with you there, Skie.
We all know that the stuff put on sale is limited and those of us who just can't afford to be a Sponsor may not get what they want just because someone else had more money. Yeah, it's very unfair. It seems, though, as if the fact that the world goes around the money hit the furry (under)world as well. Where did the genuine help, where you give something expecting nothing in return, go? Do we really need to create between the furs all those lines that break down every society into classes, that divide the people on those better and worse? I don't want to make a whole new discussion out of it. I just want to say that in my opinion that whole sponsorship thing is going in the wrong direction. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 14.08.2010, 00:59:28
Well, you have to keep in mind, the sponsors and super-sponsors are those who make it POSSIBLE that regular ticket prices are where they are.  Without sponsors and super-sponsors, tickets would have to be about €30 more expensive. So think of it as €30 MORE than you can spend in the dealers den ... and the 104 super-sponsors who get early access are certainly less of a competition than the 800 other people who try to get in there when it regularly opens :)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Keidran on 14.08.2010, 09:41:00
104 super sponsors? hooray for sitting far away at the stage events for the mob! xD
I see it coming... the PPS will be closed due too many people.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Dhary Montecore on 14.08.2010, 10:28:36
Uhhmm.... Sorry but, you DO know that even if ALL of our attendees come to visit the PPS you STILL would even have a SEAT? :)

Double the overall attendee-count and we MIGHT have a problem with that. So don't worry, you won't have any problems with that.



104 super sponsors? hooray for sitting far away at the stage events for the mob! xD
I see it coming... the PPS will be closed due too many people.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 14.08.2010, 11:50:07
104 super sponsors? hooray for sitting far away at the stage events for the mob! xD
I see it coming... the PPS will be closed due too many people.

We'll have around 600 seats ... that's almost twice as much as last year. So even if you substract 100 reserved seats, you STILL have more capacity than we had last year.  And we always have the option to release unused reserved seats when it really gets full. Which I doubt, because unlike the number of seats, attendance has not doubled :) There's really nothing to worry about. And if you're really afraid of getting a bad seat ... queue early, just like last year. Or upgrade to sponsor (not even supersponsor), and you'll be among the first to be let in and choose your seat ... our way to thank you for your generosity of voluntarily helping to finance this convention and keeping the prices affordable for everyone.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: nifelan on 14.08.2010, 13:38:32
I'm still sceptical about the whole "people with enough stamina or money do get better seats" thing and I just know that I'll end up behind a 2m tall brick and won't see a thing - again ;)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 14.08.2010, 13:43:25
I'm still sceptical about the whole "people with enough stamina or money do get better seats" thing and I just know that I'll end up behind a 2m tall brick and won't see a thing - again ;)

Yeah, and the guy who pays extra will even get a larger PIZZA than you. And the other guy who paid more will also get a bigger CAR. And the furry sitting next to you might have paid THREE times as much as you for his hotel room, and got a suite.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Zefiro on 14.08.2010, 14:07:50
Sure. All true. But it does strengthen the point how "commercial" "everything" has become. And though we all know that we do have a kind of money-based class society, that's not the thing people want to see when they are just wanting to have a great party. Which is what EF has always been known for - back in the time when everyone including Chairman of Anthrocon claimed EF to be the greatest party of them all.

So, frankly, your first point noting that Sponsors just "makes all of this possible, including the lower prices for non-sponsors" was way better, imho, than bashing at our guests that they should fucking cope with capitalism :-/

I decided to upgrade to Sponsor a few hours ago. For this single reason of supporting EF. I'm glad I did this before reading your post.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: nifelan on 14.08.2010, 14:51:22
I'm still sceptical about the whole "people with enough stamina or money do get better seats" thing and I just know that I'll end up behind a 2m tall brick and won't see a thing - again ;)

Yeah, and the guy who pays extra will even get a larger PIZZA than you. And the other guy who paid more will also get a bigger CAR. And the furry sitting next to you might have paid THREE times as much as you for his hotel room, and got a fucking suite.

Quoting the immortal William Shatner: "GET A FUCKING LIFE!" :)
I'm just annoyed that I always have to sit behind the tallest guys and now there will be even more tall people in front of me because they can afford it. I can't afford it because I don't have a job. Why don't I have a job? Because my education comes first. Studying and having a job at the same time doesn't work, not with the fucked up system and chaos around here so please don't diss me for not having much money. Sorry but that topic is a little bit touchy for me.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 14.08.2010, 15:07:04
I'm just annoyed that I always have to sit behind the tallest guys and now there will be even more tall people in front of me because they can afford it.

Don't worry. Our agents have worked hard to recruit the smallest super-sponsors on the planet. They're all japanese :)

But, seriously. It doesn't matter if you're a supersponsor or not ... there may or may be tall people sitting in front of you. That's why the stage is raised by 1 meter (pawpet stage 2,80m) above the floor, and why we have two 4,50 meter projection screens left and right at 5 meter above the ground. Stop worrying - everything will be fine. I promise.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Pan Hesekiel Shiroi on 14.08.2010, 15:11:42
nifelan: Maybe it won't solve your problem completely ... but how about you put a pillow or two on your seat and sit on top of them? (This is just a suggestion, though ... but I know how annoying it can be to be too small to see anything.)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 14.08.2010, 15:21:02
Sure. All true. But it does strengthen the point how "commercial" "everything" has become.

I can't repeat this often enough: A sponsor does NOT pay for his own privilieges. The privileges are just a little reward, nothing more. The majority of a sponsor's money pays for EVERYONE ELSES BENEFITS.

The con itself is, and will always be, 100% non-profit. But I can't help it, a convention generates costs, and someone has to pay for them or the party is not going to happen.

And if a sponsor pays it for you ... isn't that great?

Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: nifelan on 14.08.2010, 15:50:56
Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for all the guys that support the con with their wallets and I would do too if my financial situation would be better now. Not because I want to be first in line (heck I usually show up way late anyway) but because I want to support the con.

There's this bitter taste that automatically comes with such sponsor rewards which really gives you the impression that the con is partitioned into the have and have-nots. Of course we all get the same thing in the end, the sponsors only get it sooner - which possibly causes some discomfort for us regulars. After all, we get raised in that way, that being first is somewhat important.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Skie on 14.08.2010, 16:08:53
The only problem with the pawpet show is that there aren't dvds yet *glares at cheetah*
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 14.08.2010, 16:32:43
We were planning to have an EF15 higlights DVD and an EF11 Pawpetshow DVD ("Songs of the old Ages") out for EF16. But our private lifes exploded in our faces, and we didn't get it finished. I promise to release at least the PPS dvd this year, and move on to producing the EF13 ("Unlucky Thirteen") PPS dvd. If we can get BBF motivated to go on with the EF15 dvd once he has 30 hours of EF16-Footage on tape remains to be seen, though :)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Whitefang on 14.08.2010, 18:07:58
I decided to upgrade to Sponsor a few hours ago. For this single reason of supporting EF. I'm glad I did this before reading your post.

Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for all the guys that support the con with their wallets and I would do too if my financial situation would be better now. Not because I want to be first in line (heck I usually show up way late anyway) but because I want to support the con.

Exactly my point. People should help because they can and want to, not because they get something in return. If they do it for something in return, then it's not helping, that's just business and nothing else.

Now, I do understand that running a con requires a lot of money and that organizers need to gather those money somehow. I am also fine with some special "thank you" gifts like towels or t-shirts or mugs. What really bugs me, though, is that you decided to include in the sponsor benefits something that's public, like Dealer's Den access. Everyone should be equal in this regard and by letting sponsors in earlier, you clearly state that they are better then everyone else because they are richer. And that's not fair.

It's done this year already and I don't suppose it can be changed, nor do I expect it. But please, keep this in mind when thinking of sponsor benefits for the next year. Public things should remain public, undivided on the part for richer and poorer.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Mazin on 14.08.2010, 19:03:09
I am also fine with some special "thank you" gifts like towels or t-shirts or mugs. What really bugs me, though, is that you decided to include in the sponsor benefits something that's public, like Dealer's Den access. Everyone should be equal in this regard and by letting sponsors in earlier, you clearly state that they are better then everyone else because they are richer. And that's not fair.

The problem with too many physical gifts is that they cost money to make, and so mean less of the sponsor fee is going towards lowering everyone else's costs. Letting people in early to the Dealer's Den doesn't cost EF any extra (and it probably makes it easier on the dealers to have the crowd come in gradually instead of everyone at once! :P).

In the end, though. Making a con happen requires time & money. Some of us volunteer with our time because we don't have the money, and some of us help with our money because we don't have the time, and there are perks for both.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: krakendwaggin on 15.08.2010, 22:39:47
Its nice to see what people will get for their options, I'm still glad to have super sponsored for my first ever con.

Though, a Towel?, really?, I had to laugh, well at least we'll know where our towels are!
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Mazin on 16.08.2010, 02:39:51
Though, a Towel?, really?, I had to laugh, well at least we'll know where our towels are!

Maybe they're also planning on giving super-sponsors reserved lounge chairs by the pool? :>




don't kill me
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 16.08.2010, 09:07:26
Though, a Towel?, really?, I had to laugh, well at least we'll know where our towels are!

It surely beats stealing hotel towels for souvenirs :)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Meyou on 16.08.2010, 10:08:32
Though, a Towel?, really?, I had to laugh, well at least we'll know where our towels are!

It surely beats stealing hotel towels for souvenirs :)

But thats a national passtime for us british!
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Pony on 16.08.2010, 10:53:29
If we can get BBF motivated to go on with the EF15 dvd once he has 30 hours of EF16-Footage on tape remains to be seen, though :)
It's why I hoped that making my own Eurofurence 15 highlight movie would please the crowd and keep them happy for a while, taking off the pressure a bit from BBF.
Quite amazing how -next to his job at RTL- he visits and makes all these con videos and puts them up for everyone to download for absolutely free, thanks to his amazing video team too of course.
The feedback I got from people left and right regarding my Eurofurence 15 video made me quite motivated to do the same thing again for Eurofurence 16.

Not directing this to anyone specifically:
If we all just can help one another a bit and pitch in whatever way we can instead of whining about it, then Eurofurence indeed will remain the awesome party it has always been.
It took me quite a bit of work and effort to make that video and it made me feel good contributing that, just like it felt totally right to chip in for -at least- Sponsor for the con itself.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Skie on 16.08.2010, 13:08:12
Quite amazing how -next to his job at RTL- he visits and makes all these con videos and puts them up for everyone to download for absolutely free, thanks to his amazing video team too of course.

All these con videos... exactly, and no EF videos o.o
I keep seeing his videos from lots of big cons and events like AC and CF but no EF.
Not complaining here, just wondering why would someone prioritize other con's videos over his con video.

Anyway, Pony what you did is great and I hope with more help it will be even better this time :)
I also hope Elfasi will release someday a video from all the clips he took at EF.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Fairlight on 16.08.2010, 14:18:22
I think the difference is one of quality.

For most other cons, BBF creates a "best of" video cut within a few weeks. For some reason EF decided that we'll release con DVD's instead, which require a lot more work, not just on the video part. The entire audio of all the shows and dances will get remastered and redone, all videos get scanned more, there's more video tapes to begin with, and then there's DVD authoring to be done.
If EF would decide to just release a con video in the same style as every other BBF video, I am sure he'd have one released a month or two after EF. But, as it stands now, the decision to go for quality and DVD is what is holding the whole thing back, I think.

Personally..... I think I'd rather have a con video that's actually happening than a full-bells-and-whistles con DVD that may either never appear, or appear with a delay of multiple years.

But, anyway, that's nothing to do with sponsor goodies, so if you want to discuss further, let's open a new thread for that.

Best regards,
 Fairlight!
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: BigBlueFox on 16.08.2010, 21:42:16
We were planning to have an EF15 higlights DVD and an EF11 Pawpetshow DVD ("Songs of the old Ages") out for EF16. But our private lifes exploded in our faces, and we didn't get it finished. I promise to release at least the PPS dvd this year, and move on to producing the EF13 ("Unlucky Thirteen") PPS dvd. If we can get BBF motivated to go on with the EF15 dvd once he has 30 hours of EF16-Footage on tape remains to be seen, though :)


Well, the question is: Do we at least have a shop to sell any DVDs? :)
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Cheetah on 16.08.2010, 21:47:09
Well, the question is: Do we at least have a shop to sell any DVDs? :)

Sure, the shop we always used to sell our DVDs ... blackpaw.de.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: BigBlueFox on 16.08.2010, 21:51:03
For most other cons, BBF creates a "best of" video cut within a few weeks. For some reason EF decided that we'll release con DVD's instead, which require a lot more work, not just on the video part. The entire audio of all the shows and dances will get remastered and redone, all videos get scanned more, there's more video tapes to begin with, and then there's DVD authoring to be done.

Well said. It's exactly the problem. I can't pull 50 hours of footage through my camera at my own expenses, fortunately there are people helping me with that. However, this has generated the problem of tape- and file distribution, and I underestimated the amount of time needed to forward the tapes to helpers and to receive the files.

Also, since I'm working -for- EF and not doing my own thing as I do with most cons, I don't have 100% artistic freedom. People want the DVD to be produced a certain way, and all that is very time consuming. A typical con video would have been done in no time, but something like this needs lots more preparation and planning, and consideration to make people happy.

There will be an EF15 video, but I'm afraid that in all those years I've done video editting, this is the first time I couldn't keep up with my schedule.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Skie on 17.08.2010, 12:57:13
Wow thanks for all the answers! :)

I do hope pps and con dvds will come out eventually.
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Sinea on 27.08.2010, 12:00:31
yeeey I´ll get a new Cappucino-Mug  ;D
Wow, and a T-Shirt and a Pin from Tani : :o

But the towel by super-sponsor is awsome!  :D
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: Jumpy on 27.08.2010, 23:47:11
I promise to release at least the PPS dvd this year, and move on to producing the EF13 ("Unlucky Thirteen") PPS dvd.

Yes! Finally!!! I've been waiting for that one for YEARS.

"Jawohl, mein Producer!"
Title: Re: Sponsor & Super Sponsor Benefits
Post by: krakendwaggin on 10.09.2010, 00:37:28
Now its after the con, having been as a Super Sponsor, the question is

"Was it worth it?"

I'd say yes, very much so, the seating block for stage events was great even if it wasn't entirely monitored at times and when the show starts I'm surprised nobody decided to move up closer, there was some very nice seats up close!.

The supersponsor events were, well interesting, the first Sake appreciation turning into 'Sakai' appreciation due to the fact of..well no Sake!, even then it was more Uncle Kage's Storyhour with added live illustrations by Stan Sakai!.

The early access to the Dealers den was well worth it, I didn't really do much for the Art-Show (I got outbid on EVERYTHING) but then I was glad not to endure the hours of queuing.

Negative points?, I've none really, maybe one or two more exclusive panels would've been neat but what we had was awesome...well okaay, i maybe have one lil wish for next year....

Purple Lanyards!

Attendees were green, sponsors were yellow, supersponsor had a purple marker on the badge, so we should have purple lanyards! ^_^

I'm not serious really, I had alot of fun and would happily go Super Sponsor again!.