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Title: Metal-Event
Post by: Ixas on 07.09.2010, 15:00:53
Hey there :)

Furries and their affinity to techno and all that "Umts"-stuff... a myth as old as the fandom itself. I still don't have a clue why, but that doesn't matter. The thing is, that there are still some other furs left who don't really like that kind of music and are more into metal-stuff. So my and Räv's wish for the next EF would be, that there will be an event on one of the evenings that involves metal like a Metal-Bar oder even some kinda "dance-event".
I'm sure, many other furs would appreciate that.

Yours, Ixas
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: superhonni on 07.09.2010, 16:22:31
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I'm sure, many other furs would appreciate that.

Yepp, indeed they would, as long as some Rock and Nu-Metal is also allowed  ;)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ixas on 07.09.2010, 16:59:07
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Yepp, indeed they would, as long as some Rock and Nu-Metal is also allowed ;)

Hell yeah, of course!!
From good ol' "Guns 'n Roses" via "System of a Down" to "Rammstein" and "Slipknot". Everything of that should be included ;)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Thygrrr on 07.09.2010, 17:31:01
This has been brought up so many times...

All the proponents of Rock & Metal think it's good idea, EF staff seems to think it's not.

So the only chance to really get it done is to volunteer and make it require as little effort as possible from EF staff. You can't expect them to do all the work for you. With all those additional extra days the con has now, though, there ought to be some kind of timeslot for it. Personally, I don't think it's necessary to have three techno-focused music events.

And maybe finally having an alternative event would get us some empirical data, at last, whether (a decent, sufficiently mainstream selection of) Rock music really is such a party crasher.

I'm dying to find out.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: superhonni on 07.09.2010, 18:25:37
I actually didn't expect the EF staff to do it all for us.
Of course we would have to do it on our own.
The only thing that is needed is a location (probably the bar room) and the permit to connect a laptop to an existing audio system or to bring our own audio system.
I think i could solder any adaptor that would be needed, if it's not already present or i also could bring a small audio system.

So it's all about us to get that clarified in time...
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ixas on 07.09.2010, 18:29:24
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So the only chance to really get it done is to volunteer and make it require as little effort as possible from EF staff. You can't expect them to do all the work for you.

If there is a chance to get a timeslot in the evening for that, I'd try to find two or three other furs as volunteers. I'm sure Räv will also help me out with that. Shouldn't be a problem at all.

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Personally, I don't think it's necessary to have three techno-focused music events.
/signed ;)

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[...] whether [...] Rock music really is such a party crasher. I'm dying to find out.

Me too. And I'm sure, it isn't. We're having a disco here in Nuremberg, that is focused on exactly that kind of music. And every evening I've been there was worth every euro I left there.

Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: RealZero on 07.09.2010, 18:53:00
I surely support this idea, already said basically the same thing to several friends of mine, I'd certainly welcome a bit of metal and hard-rock.^^ *purrs*
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: SupernovA on 07.09.2010, 18:53:36
Yay! I would love to join an event like that! More rock! ;D
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: VirtualFox on 07.09.2010, 20:04:55
There was a small little Heavy corner that was setup, of course, this was unofficial..
https://forum.eurofurence.org/index.php/topic,2419.0.html
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Lions_ on 07.09.2010, 20:26:36
Hehe. We got the Equipment, We got the Music, we got the Fans.
Get the Orga to allow me to host the event and we are ready to rock ;)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: GreyLion on 07.09.2010, 21:30:17
yes, great idea... i am for it...

on EF 15 (or 14) was something like alternative music party, not much visited...
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Armand Karlsen on 07.09.2010, 22:02:39
I'm absolutely for this. I did bring my distinctive flag and a crummy pair of speakers :P but it didn't quite happen this year. Space permitting, I think there could be an elternative open-ended space like the gaming and video-games rooms. I'm happy to help with playlists, equipment, etc.

PS: thanks for the link :)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: lupestripe on 08.09.2010, 01:05:01
I am all for this venture and I know a fair few others who will be too. The Confuzzled Rock set usually goes down well so I don't see why this won't either. I echo the belief shared by many on this forum as I do believe a bit of variety would make for a stronger con-going experience.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Thygrrr on 08.09.2010, 03:07:14
yes, great idea... i am for it...

on EF 15 (or 14) was something like alternative music party, not much visited...


That one was in the Kulisse cellar bar, and had pretty bad music (random crap from disco and j-pop to hard rock). The treble and mid-frequency volume was way too high, and the bass was too weak.

The location itself was kind of okay, but there was neither enough room to properly dance / headbang / pogo, nor was the music rock-focused enough.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ixas on 08.09.2010, 10:37:52
Wow, I haven't expected such a feedback.
And yeah, if it's really sure that we get a timeslot, I will try to find as many helping paws as possible to organize this.
I'll ask a member of the orga to have a look at that thread. Would be nice to hear an opinion from one of them.

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The location itself was kind of okay, but there was neither enough room to properly dance / headbang / pogo, nor was the music rock-focused enough.

Dude! That'd be f*cking awesome if we really get enough space for some pogo ;D
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Fauho on 08.09.2010, 11:34:37
Maybe also a bit of Gothic and EBM? Would love to help on that ;)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: RealZero on 08.09.2010, 14:48:40
Dude! That'd be f*cking awesome if we really get enough space for some pogo ;D

Damn, that means I'll have to wear all my leather and spikes clothing so I can force "pogo-ing" people away from me. *chuckles*
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Fauho on 08.09.2010, 15:06:26
Dude! That'd be f*cking awesome if we really get enough space for some pogo ;D

Furry pogopile, YAY  :D *jumps in*
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Super Swede on 08.09.2010, 20:13:34
I absolutely loved the metal-act at Stage Fever. a big plus was that they played for real! Big credits to you two guys who performed (I forgot your names!)

Rock on! \,,/
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Drift on 08.09.2010, 20:28:04

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We're having a disco here in Nuremberg, that is focused on exactly that kind of music.

*hehe* are you refering to the Rock Fabrik? Has been a while since I've been there!  ;)
An alternative music place at EF would be great. As GreyLion and Thygrrr mentioned allready, there was a gig at EF 15. But it if I remember right it was at the same time with the big blue dance, and so not well visited. Plus no special effects (lights etc.) 
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ixas on 08.09.2010, 22:53:15
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Maybe also a bit of Gothic and EBM?
The only condition is that you can bang your head to it ;)

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*hehe* are you refering to the Rock Fabrik?
Yes I do. It's the best place for nightlife in Nuremberg (besides the "O'Sheas"-Irish Pub ;) )

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But it if I remember right it was at the same time with the big blue dance
Aww crap! That'd be the most shitty Timeslot we could get. Even for me the BBD is a must-see  :-\
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Lions_ on 08.09.2010, 23:02:43
Classic Metal, Irish Folk Metal, Fantasy Metal, Middel Age Rock, EBM, Gothic, DarkWave... the List goes on.
From Iron Maiden, to Fiddlers Green, over Finntroll to Nightwish, subway to sally, InExtremo to ASP and Samsas Traum....

There are so many stuff we got to play, but before we talk about WHAT to play, we should...
1) get the OK from EF Orga
2) get to know who gets which equipment
3) who operates which equipment

beside that i dont think that an pogo-event would be a good idea. ya know, if anything would happen there, it will be the last time such an event would take place.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: drayygon on 08.09.2010, 23:08:41
Hell, I'm listening to my mass mix of metal as I read through this, you know I'd support it. I can't really give a damn for BBF's dance as it is music I don't really get passionate about. And hell yeah, gotta span the years and genres, including (as said) Irish folk metal/Celtic punk. Dropkick Murphy's anyone?
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ixas on 09.09.2010, 13:40:45
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Dropkick Murphy's anyone?
Dropkick Murphys kick ass!! Of course we need some songs of them at the event :)

BTW: Does anyone of you know who's responsible for setting up the timetable at EF?
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: SupernovA on 09.09.2010, 14:17:57
Dropkick Murphy's anyone?

Count me in!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Riffuchs on 16.09.2010, 19:17:31
BTW: Does anyone of you know who's responsible for setting up the timetable at EF?

That's also me. Anyway, I've to admit that I don't feel comfortable about this. We had those alternative music event discussions before. We had discussion about a dedicated dance for such music. We had discussion about alternating BBFs choise of music and we had discussions about late night panels and so on.

To be honest, the thing is that you're passionate with this music but most of our guests aren't. Not that we tried it or gave people a chance to host such an event. But reality told us that such an event wouldn't be attended well, except of some enthusiasts.

As the director of programming I have to take care of that most guest are comfortable with the programm and since most people wouldn't enjoy such music at the bar I can't give it to you. A seconds reason for "no bar" is that the hotel makes its money with the bar and we therefore can't host a not well attended event there.

The Ringberg was another story. The hotel had two bars and alternative events, like we had in the program hostet by akeela, caused no interference with the other bar or other evenst running in parallel. The Maritim is a different story. Space is limited and I can't assign a room to you next to - say - a game room or the artists lounge.

At this time I don't know anything about how the programming for next year will look like, Maybe I can assign a room to you and maybe not. For now I'd liek to ask you to contact me on this issue on February next year. I will have an eye on this thread if it's active but better to nudge me.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: o'wolf on 16.09.2010, 19:48:42
To be honest, the thing is that you're passionate with this music but most of our guests aren't. Not that we tried it or gave people a chance to host such an event. But reality told us that such an event wouldn't be attended well, except of some enthusiasts.

Well, I've seen other cons trying alternative dances and none of those worked very well. Of course it is hard to estimate how the Eurofurence crowd would react, every convention is unique (that's why so many of them can exist, after all), and every year is different.

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At this time I don't know anything about how the programming for next year will look like, Maybe I can assign a room to you and maybe not.

Also note that it would need a sufficient PA and at least some kind of lighting, which requires a lot of effort to set up and tear down ad hoc.

However, I believe we have a hard show stopper: as far as I know we do not pay music royalties ("GEMA") for the conference rooms. In this case we cannot have music performances there.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Riffuchs on 17.09.2010, 12:04:25
However, I believe we have a hard show stopper: as far as I know we do not pay music royalties ("GEMA") for the conference rooms. In this case we cannot have a music performances there.

Oh, right, another issue. Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: lupestripe on 20.09.2010, 23:42:56
Looks like there could be a metal set after all as BBF is looking for DJs for all genres of music to audition to play in the Piano Bar. I am liking this idea :)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: BigBlueFox on 21.09.2010, 00:13:23
I have been supporting the idea of having a rock event at EF since 2004, and that it's possible has been proven last year by the French furs who spontaneously organised an empty room, brought a PA and some lights from somewhere and made their own dance event.

Now, of course, that was just another dance involving electronic music, but it shows that with little effort, a rock / metal dance could have been realized easily.

Why am I not doing it? There's a simple answer: I'm an expert on many music styles, but metal or rock sure aren't part of that. I could of course grab some sort of "100 best rock songs of all time" CD compilations and press play on a CD player for two hours, but that wouldn't be fun for anyone, not even for me. So I was hoping for some rock DJ to show up and suggest something. I had a few suggestions, but they never were realized for some reason.


Also, a few people who contacted me mentioned that they were actually afraid of asking me because they thought I didn't like competition, so please let me point this out:

I don't consider a rock / metal dance "competition". I consider it "contribution".

I'm pretty sure most of you agree when I say that most metal furs would rather hang out in the bar or do something else while Kenai or me are DJing. It's not your type of music, so you won't attend. I totally understand this, and this is also why I always thought having a rock dance, even if it happens at the same time as my dance, would be an additional contribution to the con experience: It would make people happy that I can't make happy with the things I do. How much better can it get? :)


When it comes to the Piano bar dances, the name already gives it away: It has to be a bit "Piano". The musicians around you know what I mean. We can't have extreme styles like speed metal, agressive punk or similar in the bar, just like we can't have Drum'n'Bass or gangster rap. So please let me point this out once more: If you're willing to host an event like that or know of someone who wants to, please contact me and I'll try to help you as best as I can. We -may- be able to provide a mobile PA, we may be able to find a room, but this all depends on the event schedule and other things. However, we'll do all that is possible to help you running such an event, since after all, the more people leave the con with a happy feeling, the happier we, the con staff, will be.  :)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Huskyboy on 22.09.2010, 04:42:55
Dude! That'd be f*cking awesome if we really get enough space for some pogo ;D

Furry pogopile, YAY  :D *jumps in*

Bloodpogo?  :o

I Remember a Punkconcert, on this the Band says that they play one song more for every bleeding nose.., in the end it was 12 bleeding noses and songs, very fun to stay on stage and watch them beating their faces  ;D Hell good thing that i was doing stage security on that gig and not standing in the crowd..
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Jaryic on 22.09.2010, 11:49:30
we may be able to find a room,
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don't be too bold here.
Until we have a solution for GEMA in the conference rooms. We simply can not use them for scheduled music performances.
The Piano Bar is covered by the Hotel's own GEMA licence (at least for playing CD-ish music) so no problem here.

If we realy want/need an alternative dance in one of the conference rooms we need to get our brains working how to pull it off legally.

.Jar
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Cheetah on 24.09.2010, 15:59:49
I Remember a Punkconcert, on this the Band says that they play one song more for every bleeding nose.., in the end it was 12 bleeding noses and songs, very fun to stay on stage and watch them beating their faces  ;D Hell good thing that i was doing stage security on that gig and not standing in the crowd..

A fun story about the stupidity of people :) I'm glad that this is what EF is not :)
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Cheetah on 24.09.2010, 16:07:47
Yeah, I agree, music licensing is a HUGE problem. The german music mafia has pretty obscene pricing rules based on room size and entrance fee. Guess why we are charging an extra 5€ for the stage area only?

So I'm afraid, there will be no dances outside the main ballroom and the piano bar in the forseeable future.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Huskyboy on 24.09.2010, 17:20:53
I Remember a Punkconcert, on this the Band says that they play one song more for every bleeding nose.., in the end it was 12 bleeding noses and songs, very fun to stay on stage and watch them beating their faces  ;D Hell good thing that i was doing stage security on that gig and not standing in the crowd..

A fun story about the stupidity of people :) I'm glad that this is what EF is not :)

for the people that wanted to see the band it was nice, for the ones that wanted to do violent stuff it was nice.. so not a problem

Yeah Music Mafia is the right word, its the same with the "Public TV" Mafia..
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ziggy_wolf on 22.02.2011, 09:31:41
Seriously, if there`s only going to be electronic music "or noyse as I call it" I am going to have be severely drunk to attend anything like that. Seriously, I`d gladly cough up some more cash to gett a metal thing going, heck I`d do my best to help!  I`m bringing my laptop, and a phono cable, so let`s see what happens.
I`m tottally for Dropkick Murphys, got all their tracks will be bringing them along.
Also I have about one terra of metal, and am willing to donate.
Dude what about a guitarhero competition? Metal karaoke, a furpilemoshpit?  Hiering some local band? yeah, that would tottally rock. And what`s with the dressing up in leather and spikes, isn`t that just normal evening wear anyway? And what`s this crap about music a licence?
What if we stream music from an internett radio station, they`re played for the public anyway?
how about http://radiosatan666.com/ thy`re mostly metal and rock.
Honestly, why not just ask if there`s a vacant room and rig something up our selves.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Fauho on 22.02.2011, 10:58:04
Yeah, I agree, music licensing is a HUGE problem. The german music mafia has pretty obscene pricing rules based on room size and entrance fee. Guess why we are charging an extra 5€ for the stage area only?

So I'm afraid, there will be no dances outside the main ballroom and the piano bar in the forseeable future.

Is there no difference between a 'private' event and a 'public' event? In my country we have also that kind of maffia, called SABAM, but they have no business if you're running a private party... Off course, the question is when is your party private? Some minor adjustments about the reg system and entrance restrictions could do perhaps?!?
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Schakaline on 22.02.2011, 13:58:18
Seriously, if there`s only going to be electronic music "or noyse as I call it" I am going to have be severely drunk to attend anything like that. Seriously, I`d gladly cough up some more cash to gett a metal thing going, heck I`d do my best to help!  I`m bringing my laptop, and a phono cable, so let`s see what happens.
I`m tottally for Dropkick Murphys, got all their tracks will be bringing them along.
Also I have about one terra of metal, and am willing to donate.
Dude what about a guitarhero competition? Metal karaoke, a furpilemoshpit?  Hiering some local band? yeah, that would tottally rock. And what`s with the dressing up in leather and spikes, isn`t that just normal evening wear anyway? And what`s this crap about music a licence?
What if we stream music from an internett radio station, they`re played for the public anyway?
how about http://radiosatan666.com/ thy`re mostly metal and rock.
Honestly, why not just ask if there`s a vacant room and rig something up our selves.

 m(

Yeah, I agree, music licensing is a HUGE problem. The german music mafia has pretty obscene pricing rules based on room size and entrance fee. Guess why we are charging an extra 5€ for the stage area only?

So I'm afraid, there will be no dances outside the main ballroom and the piano bar in the forseeable future.


Yeah, I agree, music licensing is a HUGE problem. The german music mafia has pretty obscene pricing rules based on room size and entrance fee. Guess why we are charging an extra 5€ for the stage area only?

So I'm afraid, there will be no dances outside the main ballroom and the piano bar in the forseeable future.


Yeah, I agree, music licensing is a HUGE problem. The german music mafia has pretty obscene pricing rules based on room size and entrance fee. Guess why we are charging an extra 5€ for the stage area only?

So I'm afraid, there will be no dances outside the main ballroom and the piano bar in the forseeable future.

Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Cheetah on 23.02.2011, 00:26:41
Is there no difference between a 'private' event and a 'public' event?

If you play music in your hotel room at a private room party, and keep the door locked, letting only your friends in, that would probably be legal. But there is no such thing like "a small private part of a large public event". If it's a part of EF, we're obligued to license it as a part of EF, no matter if that sub-event has a guest list or not.

Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ziggy_wolf on 07.03.2011, 15:36:20
First of all sorry, if I've offended any one, but techno just isn't my cup of tea.
I'm sure the artists are talented whitinn their genre.
I will however try to listen to it, to see if I can brainwash my self in to liking it.
Oh, well atleast you're not playing hiphop, (again no offence I can enjoy some techno, but I draw the line at hiphop)
Anyhow, would it be possible to play a bit of darkwave?
You know, Suicice Commando, Combi Christ, Zeromancer, Project Pitchfork, and the like?
Please?... Pretty please?!
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Zuki on 07.03.2011, 17:19:03


I would love to see an event like this as well - definitiely I think there is a place for this kind of music in the furry community and at EF,  and I think would see alot of attenance -Id like to think starting an event is going to be positive for the con and for creating some musical variety -  so it is cool that something is being attempted.

Even if we cant make it a dance event, maybe we could play music anyway, or at least start a discussion and take it from there.

Also, why not invite those at the event to come to a private room party later on?

Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ziggy_wolf on 08.03.2011, 00:52:16
I can imagine my roommate wouldn't be hard to persuade.
I'll be bringing along about 500gigg worth of various metal and rock and a phono plugg,
So, let's see what happens. Maybe we can cook up somthing together here?
On a sidenote, I'm contemplating throwing a metal/ art gigg.
Getting a bunch of artists or people who want to learn together, and doing a figure drawing thing.
Using a 3d model as a drawing refferanse, or better yet fursuiters!
There will be about 25 from our pack joining EF this year, amung them atleast 5 suiters we can ambush.
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Zefiro on 08.03.2011, 10:45:39
Legal aspects aside, being a nice fur you surely wouldn't turn the volume up that much that all surrounding rooms will involuntarily be part of your party in the middle of the night, would you? I'm pretty sure our security team would totally hate having to ruin your fun because they get complaints about it.

*purrrr*
Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Zuki on 08.03.2011, 11:59:50

Im sure we can find some compromise which means we dont disturb other guests, I know some of the room parties Ive been at at louder than most stereos and havent had any problems, but also I dont need music to be amazingly loud to enjoy it - tho it definitely helps ;)

Ill bring along some tunes too if i can - I will add im not a complete metal fan, in fact I like loads of kinds of music, but its great to see people proposing stuff to support their passion, I know of 3-4 UKFurs at least who would also be into this idea.

Title: Re: Metal-Event
Post by: Ziggy_wolf on 08.03.2011, 14:46:34
Offcourse we need to keep the volume at a moderate level, I for one rather like not blasting down the walls.
Anyhow, my roomie is all for it.  I will consult my pack, and see what we can come up with.
 
Now, I`ll bring a laptop, and needed cables and stuff, all we need now is to borrow a stereo.
I assume, drinking at the hotellroom won`t be a problem as long as people, don`t behave to much like wild beasts.