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Title: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 08.09.2010, 08:12:18
Hi!

First of all, I want to thank to everyone who bothered to show up in the first place. It's been an awesome happening for me with 100+ ppl in the audience (and with <10 leaving the place before the movie was over). Also thanks to the few ones who actually picked up a DVD. You made my parkingfee bearable and enabled me to hang around in the bar at friday/saturday. Also I want to thank to the ef-staff and... well thanks thanks thanks.

There is one guy in the audience to whom I want to apologize: In the aftermath session he actually pointed out that he liked the more "mysterious" approach in the storytelling and I was kinda short with him. Hey guy, whoever you are, your summonings will be heard. I have no plans to make "panzer o1" a disneyish movie ;)
Further feedback was very kind and reasonable and right in this moment I squeeze the last ideas I gathered into the version that will actually make it to vimeo (that makes the DVD-Version I gave away during the convention a really rare and special item btw).

There is one issue I want to cover here: The way I was searching for poeple willing to take part in the "panzer o1" project. There has been complain about the fact that I was not clearly enough about -what exactly- I need for that movie. Well you are right to complain about that, and I will be clear about it as soon as possible. -Yet- my request was a mere "Hello who wants to help with something like that anyway?", nothing else.
Currently I am fleshing out the rather rough storyline of "panzer o1". Then Ill will draw a storybook/screenwriterthing and (later) cut that into a movie (consisting of drawings) and add several guidetracks.
THEN I will post a "call to arms" here on the eurofurenceforums and my livejournal http://kyomotion.livejournal.com/ (http://kyomotion.livejournal.com/)

Anyway, thanks a lot to everyone who showed up. I hope to see everyone of you again at at the premiere of "panzer o1"... and the next time it will be on the big stage. I promise (have been promised ;)

Kind regards
 kyo

PS: Go, blender, go!
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Karasaph on 08.09.2010, 12:52:47
One thing I wanted to say about the movie, but couldn't:

You managed to have a lot of tension in the movie, it was always exiting and I looked forward for the story going on. Unfortuantly there was nothing, exept the *@°# scene that lost up the tension. So it wasn't a rollercoaster of feelings, it was more of a tense thriller. I hope you get the sound mixing better on the next movie. I liked the way of storytelling and the music together with the pictures.

This movie is for the ones that like long narrations and just a story told by scenes and settings. I was astonished how the story was told, really good and interesting format.

That's all for now.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 08.09.2010, 20:19:41
Well, that's what this forum is for: To tell things that have been untold so far. BTW, wich scene was the *@°# - scene then?

kind regards
 kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 08.09.2010, 21:44:43
Errr... and audiomix is in the work. It will be re-remixed and improved before the movie goes vimeo =)
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Fairlight on 08.09.2010, 21:54:16
Ah, glad the movie will be on Vimeo.... I completely missed out on the premiere due to workstuffs at the con.. which is a shame, as I really was curious how it turned out!
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Pan Hesekiel Shiroi on 08.09.2010, 21:56:57
Here, here, me, me, me, me, meeeee! I want to lend my voice to the female main character of panzer o1! Don't you dare forgetting that. ;) I'm looking forward to work with you again and I hope I'll find some time to watch Streifen and give you some feedback on it later on. :)
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Fairlight on 08.09.2010, 22:10:57
I also wouldn't mind lending my voice, got a microphone and all right here. Or, if needed, I am sure I can organize some native english speakers from around here.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: CleanerWolf on 08.09.2010, 23:32:57
"Streifen" was one of the highlights of EF16. As mentioned before, i can offer modeling, texturing and my voice for helping out at the next project.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: BluePaw on 09.09.2010, 00:12:23
i felt it was precisly what it said it was. very raw. could allso call it an uncut diamond witch needs a lot of work put in to it.
but extrealy well made considering that just 1 person has made most of the stuff ALONE, realy well done.

unfortunatly since the planned time was 100min, and went over-time, i had to leave just right after the movie itself was over for the next shedualed item, the fursuit theater. just good that was a bit delayed, since i got stuck and captured by the movie^^
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Lokosicek on 09.09.2010, 02:16:44
I can also offer my voice (and I did) if you will ever be in need of slavic-accented voice (russian characters would use one). Sadly Im no programmer, nor animator :(

And one other thing. When I spoke with other fur about your idea of using Blender this time, he warned its not a good idea for these reasons:

1.) There is no official technical documentation to the program, and no description to what actually the functions really do.
2.) The programs inability to allow corrections after certain points being passed. For example youre modelling something, and realise youve made a mistake somewhere in the early stages, but cant do anything about it now. The program gives no warning as to where these "points of no return" are.
3.) now quoting him directly "If he tries to learn it from the start all by himself, he will go crazy..."

Well, this is what I remember from speaking with him.

Now onto something different. Once you post the video on vimeo and update your web-page, will you also release the associated art that you used? The drawings, symbols, concept art, etc? It would be great.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Pan Hesekiel Shiroi on 09.09.2010, 12:55:18
[...]
3.) now quoting him directly "If he tries to learn it from the start all by himself, he will go crazy..."
[...]

Seconded. Just ask Eisfuchs
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Hurga on 09.09.2010, 13:42:22
3.) now quoting him directly "If he tries to learn it from the start all by himself, he will go crazy..."
Kyo is crazy already, so that won't matter. ;)
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 09.09.2010, 19:59:53
@fairlight: English native speaker would be -highly- apreciated, I can tell you that...

regarding the issue with blender. Currently I am learning blender like a machine and there is a -lot- of documentation available (especialy videos). Yet I am already pretty deep in charmodelling and the only thing that bothers me (yet) is the huge amount of new possibilities. I.E you can generate and comb fur in -realtime-, aply textures as 3D-architekture in with a brushtool in realtime etc...

Yet I do not see the problem of a "way of no return", especially since blender allows to re-link objects in such a way that a change in an object will be automaticly aplied to all items that link to it. Its object orientated blahblahblahblah.

One thing is for sure: I survived -"xyz"- withoug getting totally nuts and -that- means something, I can tell you.

http://www.fireball.org/blender.PNG (http://www.fireball.org/blender.PNG)

what I mean, this is what I got after just -ten days- working and learning. The same result would have taken me in "xyz"... a couple of weeks (even without the added structures).
Yes, I admit, I expect trouble coming up but I am still very confident that blender will do the job. I just have a  good gutfeeling about that program. It just suits me.

Anyway,  I hardly see any alternative:
a) I WONT use "xyz" again. It sucks. sucks. sucks, sucks!
b) I can not afford a XSI, Maja or whatever license. They are eitherway WAY to expensive or lack certain abilities. Thats not an option.
c) Blender has -everything- I need: Rather advanced sculting, rather smart UV-unwrapping, hair,fur, particles. Just.

Tl;dr : Blender no werking, no "panzer o1"

But don't worry. It will be fine, just as always =)
 
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: leinir on 09.09.2010, 20:06:32
i wouldn't mind offering the use of my voice :) As a sample of what it sounds like, this is me speaking both in random person-to-person mode and in presentation mode: http://www.vimeo.com/13645489 (a talk about Gluon and GamingFreedom.org - the new open source game development and distribution platform we're working on).
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: o'wolf on 09.09.2010, 21:00:06
When I spoke with other fur about your idea of using Blender this time, he warned its not a good idea [..]

How long ago did he take a look at it? Blender has extremely improved since it became Free Software. There is plenty of documentation now, a large amount of tutorials, and a very active and helpful community of programmers and users.

While I'm using it only for compositing, video effects and as a video title generator (all I can model is crude technical stuff, and even that takes ages), I haven't experienced any point of no return. Opposed to many other authoring tools, it has a reasonable work flow, is very stable, and has a consistent object model.

One of the major drawbacks is that you need to know a bit about the math behind many functions, otherwise you'll get some quite unexpected results.

Personally, I learned quite a lot about lighting, even in a physical environment, just by trying to illuminate a very simple scene in Blender. And ask Xan about how he created the sewing patterns for the custom puppets of this year's pawpet show. Blender is an amazing tool box.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 09.09.2010, 21:10:35
@owolf:
Yeppers, thats exactly how it feels to me. The application I used for "Streifen" did everything it could to prevent any kind of noticeable workflow. It was like being stuck in the eighties all the time. Blender just offers many ways to do things. And most of them are insanely elegant.

@locosiecek:
Sorry man, I have no further plans to release additional artwork. Only if someone visits me, scans all the stuff and puts it online by himself. Yet I see no way for me to do that (haven't even updated fireball for decades). Time is a very tight resource.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Lokosicek on 09.09.2010, 21:56:27
Kyo:

Oh by the way, Im offering myself to create subtitles for Streifen 2.0 (first in English, and then translate them into Czech, if you aproove it). Sometimes I had bit of a hard time of understanding certain words, or sentences, either because of the way they were spoken, or because they were overpowered by rest of the audio (sounds, or music).
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 10.09.2010, 20:27:26
Ah.. kay. I'll prolly come back to that. Mebbe a hardcoded version. Not quite sure yet. Editing them into the movie is also quite some work. See you got some sparetime the next time well meet at ef. I'll hand you my computer to do that ;)

Anyways, blender is still going very well (I think I might know what bothered your friend tough. He might have fooled around with "multires". That one does indeed change the mesh a little even if you aply it with very low impact. However thats nothing that can not be fixed.)
If you want to see more of the blending-process I suggest you follow my livejournal at

http://kyomotion.livejournal.com/ (http://kyomotion.livejournal.com/)

I will post there news and WIP pictures on a (more or less) regular base. Stay tuned!

kind regards
 kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Lokosicek on 10.09.2010, 23:54:28
You need not to worry now. Ill use the movie from DVD ive bought, and create subtitles as a separate file in the following days (using a freeware soft named "Subtitle workshop"). Then Ill send them to you so you can check if they actually fit, and do the corrections. After that you can put them up for download with the video on vimeo.

Oh, by the way, Im following your LJ for a year or so now (i do not remember exactly, id have to check). Looking forward to see you on next eurofurence.

PS: As per your Streifen related artwork. Bring it to EF next year then :) Ill bring my scanner (HP Scanjet 3800) along, and will try to do the scanning (if the artwork fits into it).
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Amaru on 11.09.2010, 00:54:22
I had no idea what I was going in for except it was a film, and I was really pleasently suprised - have to say I found it incredibly trippy, but very well done and enjoyable, and most importantly for any director I'm still thinking about the film a week or so on.

I would have got a DVD but I was severely lacking in funds, to the extent I now have about 5Euro in my bank account, I'll pick up a copy when you've released the final version. I stayed right to the end but didn't say anything as for one I had nothing really to add that hadn't already been said, mainly some parts confused me but it was overall fantastic, and two I literally can't really speak in front of a room of others as I suffer from a rather severe stammer >_>

But yes, very good, you can definatly tell how much effort went into it.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 11.09.2010, 12:38:54
@everyone: I just realized that most emails I recieved from "unknown" poeple just went into my spam-directory and some of them seemed to be deleted already. So, if anyone here send me an email concerning "Streifen" and did not get a reply yet just send -your mail one more time. Ill see to open the spam folder on a regular base by now and get them answered more quickly.

@loco: That's certainly a brilliant idea (for me). However I won't be there 2011 or even 2011. EF was financially quite exhausting and I am afraid I just can not afford attending there on a regular base and without a "Purpose" (well, i.E. like showing a movie)

@amaru. That's perfectly understandable. I was already broke in the very minute I arrived at the con. And without selling a handfull of DVDs I could not even afford hanging around in the bar. Just imagine: McDo-Cheesburgers have been my only diet from wednesday (arrival) and friday evening =)
So, don't bother too much with a DVD. I don't think I will produce new ones (Too much effort for a very little demand). Anyway, you will be able to see it on vimeo within a couple of weeks tough.

kind regards
 kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Cheetah on 11.09.2010, 13:35:45
Don't underestimate the power of DVDs ... you'll deeply regret if your only copy is an ephemeral data stream on some commercial video site who will delete your movie on a whim, and that you can ONLY watch online.

From my experience with publishing videos: If people ask for DVDs ... sell them DVDs. It will always be worth the effort. And the effort is really small. Just a couple of minutes per DVD, and if you take pre-orders, you don't even have to spend money. People like to collect and archive what they cherish.And people like to watch stuff in their home theatre without network dropouts, constant re-buffering and other typical online-video annoyances :) And even today, people don't go "oh, let's hook up the PC to the livingroom HDTV, I want you to show a video on vimeo". People still go, "I've brought this DVD that you should really watch!" :) Even in my circle of friends, and we're all total internet nuts.

If you're too lazy to print covers, how about at least putting a pdf of the cover and inlays online, and a DVD ISO image so people can burn and print their own? Or at least downloadable mp4 files. That would enable people to get the HD version.

Also, you should send DVDs to the animation festivals all over the world. They will be happy for ANY kind of contribution, and yours is quite monumental compared to what they usually get.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 11.09.2010, 21:10:34
And again, I see I have to improve my PR-skills. Well, I had my concerns (and still have) about that movie.
But the feedback showed that there is at least one sequence that worked out even for most harsh critics: The sequence I found myself to be the only untainted one in the movie, the endingsequence. So I must have done something right after all.

@cheetah_: Okay, regarding this festival issue:
Do you have researched that topic already? Got a list? Futhermore I can remember that you told me about an onlineforum where I should send that movie. URL? =)

Kind regards
 Dirk
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Jackrow on 13.09.2010, 02:05:43
The first time I saw a movie which was really uncommon and that's why I started to love it.
At first it was hard to recognize what the story is actually about, but slowly it became clearer and clearer. As my honest opinion I loved its middle, but by the end it was finished as a sad, but somewhat touching piece of artwork.
Normally I don't collect unfinished videos, but THIS was something I wish to get.

As some of us said earlier it would be great to be able ordering it by DVD versions because as Cheetah already said whenever a network dropout just happens will ruin it for a while.

Keep it up and hooray for yet another blender user though I just started learn it this year!
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Lokosicek on 14.09.2010, 14:03:04
Kyo: Okies, Im done working on the subtitles. They are waiting for you in your mail now :) They still need few corrections, more info in the mail itself.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Cheetah on 14.09.2010, 14:22:01
For subtitling, i recommend "subtitle workshop".
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Lokosicek on 14.09.2010, 15:47:43
Cheetah: Yep :) I used Subtitle Workshop 2.51 (prolly the latest version). I had to learn how to use it though, and after a few trials and errors managed to succeed. 8 hours of work total, 636 subtitle entries, many of them with two lines. Now only the few corrections of the parts Ive not been able to understand clearly (about 10-12 moments), and Kyo can put them up for download with the movie.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 14.09.2010, 19:19:29
Yay, coolness! Yet I got no clue how to do that with DVD_authoring but... it will be fine. Thanks a lot!!

@cheetah: How about adresses of festivals? I am pretty sure you got some kind of a list.

Regarding the blenderissue. I just added fur to a rather early version of the "Athena" character. Here you go:

http://www.fireball.org/athena_a.jpg

Kind regards!
 kyo


PS: Yes she is supposed to "glow". Im not sure about the amount yet, but this is ( at least to a certain degree) a marine creature.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Cheetah on 14.09.2010, 19:34:11
@cheetah: How about adresses of festivals? I am pretty sure you got some kind of a list.

How about

http://www.animation-festivals.com/

:)
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Pinky on 15.09.2010, 16:11:06
Thanks a lot for the movie. It was one of the few rare moments of my con when I didn't run around doing staff things, but could sit down and just enjoy it. It was a picturesque and mood-filled orgy of colours, abstract shapes and living emotionality in a para-animalistic universe characterised by the internal logic and empathic attraction found only in the mythical context of gods. The lack of MTV-like event constipation so often used today to cover up bad acting and poor storylines made it a naked and honest tale in and of suspense portraying the basic dilemmas such as "the one who is closest to me is my most important support yet also the one who can hurt me the most". In the famous words of Janis Joplin - freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose.

You seem to have a veritable cornucopia of people offering voice acting here, I'd like to add myself to that choir - if you need someone to do some more voice acting then feel free to send me a message on here (female native English speaker). And please DO send this outside the fandom, I think a greater future might await this movie if it receives a little more TLC.

Thanks for the very enjoyable experience and good luck with it!  :)
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 15.09.2010, 22:03:42
Well, that's one of the my most appreciated comments so far (I admit there is a huge bandwith: One went as far as trying to convince me to stop making movies because they suck anyway, and that I shall try comic instead). It's even more apreciated since I can remember that you could not see the movie until it's very end.

ATM im learning blender like a machine (http://www.fireball.org/athena_f.jpg (http://www.fireball.org/athena_f.jpg).
Furthermore I started a "panzer o1" dedicated wiki with Justacat and hope it will soon go online.
That will be the place of choice to arrange all kind of promotion/cooperation/and much more.

Regarding Streifen and the festivals... I gave that URL to some kind of managment to figure out wich festivals are the most suiting to the project. And as soon as Taibu finshed the audio-remix, I will contact ....muhahhaha... cheetah for the DVD-authoring.

I admit, cheetah does not know about this plan... but well. Now he does. Hi cheetah, are you any good in DVD-authoring? I guess so.

Kind regards
kyo



Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Pinky on 16.09.2010, 02:38:23
...I think Cheetah needs a little break right now ;-) But later perhaps :-)
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: discocheetah on 19.09.2010, 15:40:55
hey kyo,

as i already mentioned right after the premiere i saw two mayor flaws in the movie. for once it was really hard to follow, at least for folks like me, spoiled by hollywood cinema. but i feel watching a film shouldn't be an effort, if that keeps you from focusing on the story. the second one was the level and quality of dialogue writing and acting. yet your project was easily impressive enough for me wanting to get involved.
now i have no experience with making movies or telling stories, so i can't really help with designing the plot/cinematography more understandable, but i think i could help out with dialogue feedback. i'm not really good at creating anything, but i'm good at telling people how they suck (as i'm sure you have experienced). so the way i see myself to be put to a good use would be something like quality control of the script/dialogue, maybe also the voice enactment thereof. should you happen to be in need of another voice i can also lend mine (male german native, 21 years, with a few takes accent-free [i hope]).
i don't want to promise too much since i don't know how much time uni will rip off of me in the next year, but i honestly am interested in taking part in the process of creation.

i'm glad you continue with your project, it was amazing for a one-person venture, but i'm sure it will profit largely from a bigger team. also your model screen caps so far look promising ;)

so if you're interested drop me a note or something!
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 19.09.2010, 19:59:59
 Well, regarding the circumstances as a whole, the sole fact that "Streifen" got finished and released -after all- could be counted as a miracle on it's own.
Honestly I was pretty stunned that, in general, the movie seemed to work "good enough" to keep the audience entertained. A few of them got the more subtle hints...  and others didn't =)
Storytellingwise i think "panzer o1" will be a complete different thing. During the "Streifen" process I learned a LOT about that. And thus "Streifen" is, in a way, a conglomerate of "Zero knowledge of movie making up to a decent degree". As for acting, visuals etc, I think there is hardly anyone who  knows about "Streifens" weaknesses. But a piece of work needs to be finished. It needs to go ahead so that something new can be started.
The "Streifen"-project with all its weaknesses certainly walked as far as it could in terms of completion. "Streifen" is the best "Streifen" I could possibly do. And any other attempt would have led me into a complete new project.

I have to admit "Streifen" has become something I never wanted it to become: A proof of concept, the physical proof that I got the power, the will and the spirit to start, produce AND finish a movie no matter what.
-Obviously it is much easier now to get people  interested into the next project "panzer o1". Finally there is faith. "panzer o1" will be driven by the power, ability  and inspiration. Very unlike "Streifen" that has been driven by the sheer will and the talent to workaround giant obstacles.
...here I want to add a footnote: I hardly ever regretted something in my live. But I really -do- regret to have chosen the software I used for "Streifen". Blender can do things that are *lightyears* beyond anything xyz ever could (and I refer to the 2007 version of blender). I really really regret that. I am still knocking my head on my desk. Everyday.

Regarding your offer:
Early tests of storytelling and writing will be done within a very small group of poeple. This group consists from people with some background and who can be totally trusted. Yet you say yourself that you don't have any background or experience so far in writing or storytelling. So, that's not going to be your group.
Anyway,  I will gladly take your offer as soon as there are early versions of "panzer o1" for screening. I need "clean" people for that. People with a "normal" viewpoint. That is a very important stage in production.
As far as voice acting, I will gladly put you on my list- However, some testrecordings of yours would be very useful indeed =)

Kind regards,
 kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Lokosicek on 20.09.2010, 00:31:08
...for once it was really hard to follow, at least for folks like me, spoiled by hollywood cinema. but i feel watching a film shouldn't be an effort, if that keeps you from focusing on the story...

Well, I consider myself spoiled by hollywood cinema as well, but the main plot of the Streifen (Imorgon, Hope, Idag, and Igar) was pretty easy to follow, at least for me.

There was only one part of the story that I didnt really get:

The one scene where Cmd. Tomorrow is experiencing a vision (or memory) of an infant version of himself in nursery, with a female voice explaining something ("I got what's left of this-one, and six other days").

EDIT: Most of the spoiler removed.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 20.09.2010, 17:27:43
Spoileralert hah? =)

"six days and whats left of this one" = seven days.

God took seven days to create the world

So, this is just the beginning.

BTW:

http://www.fireball.org/still.PNG (http://www.fireball.org/still.PNG)

happy blendering
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: CleanerWolf on 22.09.2010, 00:25:16
BTW:

http://www.fireball.org/still.PNG (http://www.fireball.org/still.PNG)

happy blendering
I like the character design, but the fur doesn't convince me yet, probably it needs some self-shadowing to achieve more depth. Currently it looks like painted over the character in a 2D paint software.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 23.09.2010, 17:19:27
Well... actually it does have that "drawn" look on purpose. It took me quite a while to set it up like that. Im fed up with that fainted colors of xyz-fur. I want a more cartoonish look now. A more "extreme" look.

Have a look here now (eyelashes are still missing).
http://www.fireball.org/closeup.jpg

And: The wiki is up (ugly yet but it's been worked on)

http://3d.sociallife.org/3dwiki/Panzer01

Everyone, I repeat, everyone who want's to do some 3D-ish stuff for "panzer o1" is invited.

Kind regards
 kyi

Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Lokosicek on 23.09.2010, 20:58:00
While Id really love to help out with Panzer o1, I have no skills in 3d animation. So let me help out in a different way.

May I create several Wikifur (the furry wikipedia) articles about Streifen? You know, one main article about the movie itself, then several articles about the characters, and other things featured in the Streifen.

But for this all I would need your permission for use of several screenshots from the movie itself, and of the art youve drawn (poster, Imorgon family creed, etc.).
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Onkel Kage on 23.09.2010, 23:21:14
If people ask for DVDs ... sell them DVDs.

I want DVD's of the Pawpet Shows from the last three years!
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Cheetah on 24.09.2010, 15:38:20
I admit, cheetah does not know about this plan... but well. Now he does. Hi cheetah, are you any good in DVD-authoring? I guess so.

Count me in :) I can also do all the PAL/NTSC-Conversions, subtitle embedding, multi-angle, animated menus, and all that jazz ... if you just supply me with the source materials.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 24.09.2010, 17:55:54
@ cheetah: [X] check.
Taibu promised to equip me with the remixed audiotracks by the end of that month. Then I need to change small details in the edit (things I recognized during the feedbacksession) and re-time the Subtitles-file. I suppose you should have a lossless-version of "Streifen"...huhm.. would mid-oktober be okay?

kind regards
 kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: Cheetah on 24.09.2010, 18:45:56
I suppose you should have a lossless-version of "Streifen"

Yep, that would be good.

Quote
...huhm.. would mid-oktober be okay?

What's the deadline?
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 24.09.2010, 18:51:37
Well, I do have plans to attend the blenderconference end oktober. And I would like to take the DVD with me.

And don't worry about menus and stuff. Actually I like plain designed DVDs =)

However, I would like to record an "editors comment" audiotrack with you. And I could also equip you with tons of featured artwork (on paper). How about that? =)

Kind regards,
kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: CleanerWolf on 25.09.2010, 00:04:24
Well... actually it does have that "drawn" look on purpose. It took me quite a while to set it up like that. Im fed up with that fainted colors of xyz-fur. I want a more cartoonish look now. A more "extreme" look.

Have a look here now (eyelashes are still missing).
http://www.fireball.org/closeup.jpg
Nice looking so far. Again, you seem to make heavy use of procedural textures.
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And: The wiki is up (ugly yet but it's been worked on)

http://3d.sociallife.org/3dwiki/Panzer01

Everyone, I repeat, everyone who want's to do some 3D-ish stuff for "panzer o1" is invited.
I have an earth scene setup in Softimage XSI. The planets are only primitive spheres anyways, the textures are the important part and the atmosphere can be tricky sometimes. I can send you my earth textures and try to explain, how I did the atmosphere. Currently I am too busy to learn Blender and rebuild the setup there.
Of course I could model the Taj Mahal, but again, because of lack of free time you have to be patient about me delivering this in the near future.

I would recommend to install a developer's message board (or a mailing list) for the Panzer o1 team, this thread will not be sufficient for that :)
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: VirtualFox on 27.09.2010, 05:53:49
Greetings Kyo,
I would suggest actually using some method to communicate between the volunteers and get volunteers to do various tasks (such as specific models, etc).
 Theres a Website build for just that purpose.  (http://www.wreckamovie.com/)you could use where you might find even more resources.

On the other hand, I will be available to assist, as we discussed earlier.

Also, nice job so far on learning blender, you seem to have been experimenting a lot more with fur than i have :D. Try turning on diffuse (http://www.blender.org/development/release-logs/blender-246/hair-and-fur/), as well as Ambient Occlusion when rendering the fur, It will take longer, and everything looks more lit up, but it will create more 3D-shaped fur than normal.

You should also place some more light so you can spot some of the artifacts better.
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 27.09.2010, 20:52:24
Aye sir!

That
s exactly the kind of hint I desperatly need from time to time. With those -tons- of stuff to learn I tend to miss "obvious" things at time ? =P

BTW: Taibu is setting up a dedicated forum right now. Ill keep all of you informed about that.

Kind regards
 kyo
Title: "Panzer o1 Work forum" is online
Post by: kyo on 28.09.2010, 22:01:36
Yay, that was fast!

Check out

http://www.kingtaibu.net/panzer/ (http://www.kingtaibu.net/panzer/)

There is not much content yet (can't do that tonight), But by tomorrow there will be much more. Actually I will just move the wiki-requests to that place. That seems to be a bit more... well structured to me.

Hail to King Taibu (you name it) our wealthy donor!

Kind regards
 kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 12.10.2010, 23:26:17
It's done. Finally

Thanks to Taibu who remixed all audiotracks

http://www.youtube.com/kyomotion#p/u/7/EcgLj6qruis

(vimeolink is in the works)

I am also working to post a downloadable (torrent most likely) version in full 720p Resolution. Complete with directors comment (thanks to cheetah) and english, german and czech subtitles (thanks to Lokosicekk)

Piece
 kyo
Title: Re: Streifen premiere aftermath
Post by: kyo on 13.10.2010, 17:37:04
and here is the movie on vimeo:

http://www.vimeo.com/15785324

I like the quality a bit better then on youtube and its much more convenient tho!

Kind regards

 kyo