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Eurofurence Community => Special Interests => Fursuiters Forum => Topic started by: FWO heltash on 13.09.2006, 12:23:24
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hello to all at eurofurence
just asking, hopefully i will attend eurofurence next year (my very first con) and i might have a fursuits by then, so do any of you have any tips for comeing up with performances and how to get over really bad stage nerves.
all the best
FWO heltash
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Hi FWO heltash,
first - you do not have to go on stage if you feel uncomfortable with it. :) There are more events that do not need stage performance. Like the Parade or the Photo Shooting, or just posing with other suiters.
I would suggest you to wear your fursuit when many suiters meet, e.g. for the Fursuit Parade. There you will find many suiters you can talk to and perform / practise with. Learning by doing is the best way for fursuiting.
If you really want to take part in a stage event, there is the Fursuit Gameshow (they will tell you about the games and what do to), or the "Masquerade Fursuit Show" (no contest). There will be a mailing list where people can discuss performances and ideas. A performance can be anything - a sketch, alone or with other suiters, just some dancing or singing along with a song, a short story... whatever you like!
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sweet coz i already have around a dozen ideas in mind like doing a few songs (depending if i vocal training at college is good enough) and maybe a dance routine or two.
p.s im sorry about heltash putting down the FWO thing, its just a group we both started at our local laser quest arena and he says he going to try and do something with it at furry cons *grunts*
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Hi FWO heltash,
first - you do not have to go on stage if you feel uncomfortable with it. :) There are more events that do not need stage performance. Like the Parade or the Photo Shooting, or just posing with other suiters.
I would suggest you to wear your fursuit when many suiters meet, e.g. for the Fursuit Parade. There you will find many suiters you can talk to and perform / practise with. Learning by doing is the best way for fursuiting.
If you really want to take part in a stage event, there is the Fursuit Gameshow (they will tell you about the games and what do to), or the "Masquerade Fursuit Show" (no contest). There will be a mailing list where people can discuss performances and ideas. A performance can be anything - a sketch, alone or with other suiters, just some dancing or singing along with a song, a short story... whatever you like!
thanks Tani for the advice(i am comfertable with performing in genral il just be crapping myself five mins before i go on), id keep that in mind one more thing, i know this might sound stupid but what wont be aloud on stage, since im a pro-wrestler i might try to do a tiny bit with it. (if thats ok)
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note to self, beat up brother
heltash, use some common sense, we wont be able to do any wrestling stuff you wyrm
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i might go on stage but i need to sort out a plan first heh heh and also it my first time at EF (if my evil parents let me go to germany that is) ooo i can't wait to get my fursuit and have fun with it on stage!
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i might go on stage but i need to sort out a plan first heh heh and also it my first time at EF (if my evil parents let me go to germany that is) ooo i can't wait to get my fursuit and have fun with it on stage!
You know that you have to be at least 18 to attend EF, right?
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Pity it doesn't mention that on the website anyplace that I could see.
I thought the under-18s *were* allowed at EF as long as they had consent? (and if this isn't the case then why bother to say at the start of the art auctions "If you are underage please leave now..."?)
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I’m not sure why and how, but there always seems to be a small number of people under 18 attending. ::)
It indeed seems conflicting, but it’s not my responsibility as general attendee, however I’m convinced their motives for allowing this are genuine.
And as the current state of affairs is (but I presume you already knew this), German law deems this as inappropriate for people under 18, and thus forces them to take preemptive measures.
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I’m not sure why and how, but there always seems to be a small number of people under 18 attending. ::)
It indeed seems conflicting, but it’s not my responsibility as general attendee, however I’m convinced their motives for allowing this are genuine.
Okay, I need to clarify ... indeed, until EF12, it has always been possible to attend even if you're under 18 if you're accompanied by at least one of your parents.
However, we're seriously considering no longer offering this option, because even WITH their parents on board, we've had some incidents with minors that were legally dangerous, and given the paranoia level of German "youth protection" laws, the risk of SERIOUS liabilities just isn't worth it any more. At least not for the two or three minors in 400 total attendees.
With serious liability issues, I mean, that even if parents are on site, I (as the chairman) may still be PERSONALLY held liable for whatever might happen if the parents don't look for just one minute.
It's crazy, yes. That's what the "OMGWTF, think of the children, someone might abuse them"-Mentality got us to. I can't help it.
My personal worst-case horror szenario would be: A 14 year old girl slips away from her parents at night, goes to the hotel bar where everyone else is hanging out, someone gets her a drink or two, she gets drunk, they decide to go off "cuddling", and she ends up pregnant. Mom sues us, describing our convention as a place where pornographic artwork ist being sold, and adults running around in animal costumes, and that her daughter has been malicously been lured away and abused while she wasn't looking. The judge concludes gross negliency, and we're all majorly screwed ... including the possibility of the chairman (that's me) going to jail.
You know, being in a situation like this ... and it's not exactly a far-fetched scenario ... you think twice if you really want to allow minors at all, or not.
(Another thing is ... even if they come with their parents, there's always a lot of pain and discussions to go through. Absurd situations like minors producing artwork they're not legally allowed to view themselves ... parents unwilling to accept that even they can not override the law, and we're still forced to exclude their offspring from certain events, even if they personally ask us not to ... )
I hope this makes the motivation behind this move a little more clear :) Even a very small number of minors, and even with their parents around, still cause a lot of fuss, and a certain risk ... that just uses up more of our resources than is appropriate for the microscopic fraction of guests they represent.
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Then it handy to have something on the EF site that this is an 18+ event and/or a birthday-checker of some sort, so you can't register on EF unless you're at least 18 years old... ;P
And an another point: I don't think EF is a kiddy-party, expcially with the casino-theme now :p
Have you seen minors in a casino anyway?
By the way, Nice theme and artwork on the EF-site ;P
I really like it...
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Okay, I need to clarify ... indeed, until EF12, it has always been possible to attend even if you're under 18 if you're accompanied by at least one of your parents.
However, we're seriously considering no longer offering this option, because even WITH their parents on board, we've had some incidents with minors that were legally dangerous, and given the paranoia level of German "youth protection" laws, the risk of SERIOUS liabilities just isn't worth it any more. At least not for the two or three minors in 400 total attendees.
With serious liability issues, I mean, that even if parents are on site, I (as the chairman) may still be PERSONALLY held liable for whatever might happen if the parents don't look for just one minute.
My personal worst-case horror szenario would be: A 14 year old girl slips away from her parents at night, goes to the hotel bar where everyone else is hanging out, someone gets her a drink or two, she gets drunk, they decide to go off "cuddling", and she ends up pregnant. Mom sues us, describing our convention as a place where pornographic artwork ist being sold, and adults running around in animal costumes, and that her daughter has been malicously been lured away and abused while she wasn't looking. The judge concludes gross negliency, and we're all majorly screwed ... including the possibility of the chairman (that's me) going to jail.
Ouch! :o I see, that’s indeed a very good reason for not allowing it.
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i might go on stage but i need to sort out a plan first heh heh and also it my first time at EF (if my evil parents let me go to germany that is) ooo i can't wait to get my fursuit and have fun with it on stage!
You know that you have to be at least 18 to attend EF, right?
am 20 heh heh my parents are too over projection but soon they have to let go!
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Actually doing real wrestling on stage is not possible, because of the security. I think it would be possible to do some mild action simulation but see this: You are a furstuiter, you have limitied vision, you perhaps don't see things of importance. You're fursit is not made to be punched, kicked or bodyslammed. There is no appropriate Ring and the biggest thing that ist really SERIOUS:
Wrestling, howsoever it is show and simulation, it is risky, there are injuries risks in wrestling. And I think no Cheetah wants a guy with a broken leg or a broken arm or a broken neck on his stage on his Con and under his supervision!
I think it would be possible to do a really mild brawl thingy pn stage, but only as long as you retain common sense.
And no Thumbtacks or whatever hardcore components you could imagine :P :)
But as I'm only experienced with wrestling but no member of the orga you have to talk this out with the orga people. My statement is just as a kind of "visitor with subject competence".
And if there are any more questions about this, everybody, feel free to email me at foxmc@tigress.com
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Actually doing real wrestling on stage is not possible, because of the security.
replace "security" with "safety" .. thanx
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iv been telling Heltash repeatedly that it wouldnt be possible to do a wrestling thing at EF, its just impossible to do
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ok ok calm down, i was only haveing fun whenh i said about wrestling, yes i love wrestling to bits but i know when i cant do it.
i know i cant do a show at EF :'( (there was no harm in me asking)
in terns of prformance ideas, iv got a few i just have to go through them and see whitch one would be best
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Okay, can we please drop the wrestling subject now? It's getting annoying. Subsequent wrestling related posting will be removed by moderator. Thanks :)
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Okay, can we please drop the wrestling subject now? It's getting annoying. Subsequent wrestling related posting will be removed by moderator. Thanks :)
Thanks. :)
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Okay, can we please drop the wrestling subject now? It's getting annoying. Subsequent wrestling related posting will be removed by moderator. Thanks :)
ok, im very sorry for going on, lets get this post5 back onto what its ment to be about it seen to be going of track a little bit.
one more question a have to ask relating to fursuits, how on earth can you see through tiny holes and still be able to walk without hitting anything????
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Its a matter of how close your eyes are to those holes. Closer they are, wider the view. Sometimes your eyes are so close, you can actualy have slightly less or more unobstructed view. My friend Torwen (cougar female) had her suits mask made this way...
Sometimes you can see through the entire eyes as well. Savoy for example has her eyes made of coloured white net-like material. From the outside it seems as homogenous white material, but from the inside she can see quite well (i guess)...
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for me i have images of myself bumbling about in fursuit and walking into everything and everyone :'(
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I’m not sure why and how, but there always seems to be a small number of people under 18 attending. ::)
It indeed seems conflicting, but it’s not my responsibility as general attendee, however I’m convinced their motives for allowing this are genuine.
Okay, I need to clarify ... indeed, until EF12, it has always been possible to attend even if you're under 18 if you're accompanied by at least one of your parents.
However, we're seriously considering no longer offering this option, because even WITH their parents on board, we've had some incidents with minors that were legally dangerous, and given the paranoia level of German "youth protection" laws, the risk of SERIOUS liabilities just isn't worth it any more. At least not for the two or three minors in 400 total attendees.
With serious liability issues, I mean, that even if parents are on site, I (as the chairman) may still be PERSONALLY held liable for whatever might happen if the parents don't look for just one minute.
It's crazy, yes. That's what the "OMGWTF, think of the children, someone might abuse them"-Mentality got us to. I can't help it.
My personal worst-case horror szenario would be: A 14 year old girl slips away from her parents at night, goes to the hotel bar where everyone else is hanging out, someone gets her a drink or two, she gets drunk, they decide to go off "cuddling", and she ends up pregnant. Mom sues us, describing our convention as a place where pornographic artwork ist being sold, and adults running around in animal costumes, and that her daughter has been malicously been lured away and abused while she wasn't looking. The judge concludes gross negliency, and we're all majorly screwed ... including the possibility of the chairman (that's me) going to jail.
You know, being in a situation like this ... and it's not exactly a far-fetched scenario ... you think twice if you really want to allow minors at all, or not.
(Another thing is ... even if they come with their parents, there's always a lot of pain and discussions to go through. Absurd situations like minors producing artwork they're not legally allowed to view themselves ... parents unwilling to accept that even they can not override the law, and we're still forced to exclude their offspring from certain events, even if they personally ask us not to ... )
I hope this makes the motivation behind this move a little more clear :) Even a very small number of minors, and even with their parents around, still cause a lot of fuss, and a certain risk ... that just uses up more of our resources than is appropriate for the microscopic fraction of guests they represent.
Easily solvable by asking for I.D. Not that it bothers me, I'll be 19 in February ^_^
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> Easily solvable by asking for I.D.
you can be sure that registration will check I.D. at check-in on-site.
be aware that i personaly will re-check if i think i should do so anytime.
if i catch you with a fake I.D. card you will spend some days in the local jail until your real I.D. is known.
so far noone ever tried.
just a reminder for the ones who may think they can foul us.
stay legal AND have fun at EF!
Cheetah said it all above. End of under-age topic :-)
*wag*
just
somewolf
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Ah well, I really just started to think of this when a friend of mine talked about to maybe get to AC next year, and he's the same age as mine (16).
The chance to get to EF was probally very small anyway, the best could be to have someone I know with me who's mosre used on talking english and things.
I got kinda dissapointed when I at first heard about the age limit, but I'm not so now and I fully understand what you mean, even how fun it may be.
Prehaps someday in the future, and when I earns own money..
(And no, I've never been on a con before.. I have not even met a fur/furry in Real-Life before(well not someone that I know is...) altough I got plenty of contacts and friends online.
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Heltash and Knightmare. You know I would ref your fight (In fursuit of course) Then I'll beat you with chairs.
Also, this will hopefully be my first con and i can show off in my Punk Fox fursuit, each day I have come up with new ideas for dressing it up and want to show it off to others.
http://db.fursuit.org/?c=viewsuit&id=222 this is the head now imagine the style of the body, this is going full heavy metal punk rock
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one more question a have to ask relating to fursuits, how on earth can you see through tiny holes and still be able to walk without hitting anything????
If you take a look at my avatar pic, you can see the black parts of his pupils. This is dark mesh, which allows me to see out, but not you to see me inside. I actually get fairly decent vision in this, although the bridge of the nose/muzzle means that I cannot see straight ahead. Imagine holding your hands out at arms length, palms facing each other. Put the distance at about 8-10 inches. Anything within that gap, I cannot see. But, you learn to get round this by almost constant head movements, almost what you'd expect from a lively person/animal, which allows me to look sideways at people.
Basically, just keep your wits about you, and if you're not with a group of 'suiters, it's an idea to have someone with you who isn't suited, who can guide you away from any possible problems.
Saying all that, it'll be my first time 'suiting in public, so I'll see how much of my own advice I manage to follow ^.^'
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one more question a have to ask relating to fursuits, how on earth can you see through tiny holes and still be able to walk without hitting anything????
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I have that problem but i have managed to get it to the right level. first time in my fursuit I ended up with three knees o.O
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18+!? damn, i cant go this has really made my day! *concust rolling then has idea*
how about you do the age system like they do over at anthrocon, give badges out at the door saying "minor" or "adult" and have some sercurity at the dealer's room door, kind of a good idea, huh!
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18+!? damn, i cant go this has really made my day! *concust rolling then has idea*
how about you do the age system like they do over at anthrocon, give badges out at the door saying "minor" or "adult" and have some sercurity at the dealer's room door, kind of a good idea, huh!
It was done like that the last years, resulting in problems and possible liability. Just read this very thread and you'll find a post of the chaircheeath explaining the reasons.
CU
CJ
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18+!? damn, i cant go this has really made my day! *concust rolling then has idea*
how about you do the age system like they do over at anthrocon, give badges out at the door saying "minor" or "adult" and have some sercurity at the dealer's room door, kind of a good idea, huh!
- You fail at the intarwebs.
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yeah i read that BEFORE i posted the first one
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one more question a have to ask relating to fursuits, how on earth can you see through tiny holes and still be able to walk without hitting anything????
My fellow furrie Tamu the lion has the same problem. He made himself a realistic lion headpiece, but the resulting sight is very limited. He has about 10 percent of regular view and he cant see directly in front of him so he has to either walk with head to the side or turn his head constantly.
While were at it, this discussion is named "first time fursuit", isnt it? So why dont you all fursuiters share? What it was like your first time?
I had my first fursuit-outing a month ago in Prague zoo. It was so funny. Lot of kids, adults, animals... Too bad it was so hot in the suit...
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I'll be getting my fursuit, hopefully in the next 3 weeks or so :) I am soooo looking forward to fursuiting around London at the londonfur meet after i get it :D
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And while we are at it, here are excerpts from video footage from my first fursuit-outing. They were taken by Tamu the lion's digital camera. I had a real problem with my hair there... But it was so much fun!
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Lokosik
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Just a question, but do you have to be 18 to attend LondonFur? I'm 14, first time fursuiter, and wondering whether I should come with my parenst or not (or not at all TT_TT). Thanks!
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Its a matter of how close your eyes are to those holes. Closer they are, wider the view. Sometimes your eyes are so close, you can actualy have slightly less or more unobstructed view. My friend Torwen (cougar female) had her suits mask made this way...
Sometimes you can see through the entire eyes as well. Savoy for example has her eyes made of coloured white net-like material. From the outside it seems as homogenous white material, but from the inside she can see quite well (i guess)...
With the suit made for me by Noble Wolf, I can see perfectly through the black part of the one way eyes.
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OMG it´s my first con with a fursuit too. x3 My fursuit is not finished yet but I´m doing very well with it. I´m trying to make it as comfortable as possible! I am more concerned about how I do with it in the plane. :P I hope I can carry the head in my handluggage.