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Title: Fursuit Lounge (EF18)
Post by: Jake R on 04.09.2012, 02:29:25
Hello!

I should probably let Mystifur post about this instead as he's the boss and all, but I've got a case of concrud so I can't sleep and I'm bored now. I'm sure he'll forgive me. If not, I'll just bribe him with stroopwafels or something. <3

Anyway! We already had some great feedback from visitors, so let me repeat this here for everyone to comment on:

- Full-sized mirror on the floor instead of on the table, so fursuiters can use it to check their footpaws / hooves / etc. as well.
- Water with and without ice. This was already implemented on the spot, but I was asked why afterwards, so I'll explain for clarity. Some people, coming from the hot suit then right after drinking water with new ice (and this is several hundred cubes we're talking about here) had trouble with the big change in temperature. Some got headaches, some even became nauseous. So, to accomodate those people we decided to make one water dispenser without ice. Thanks to those who suggested it - you helped a lot of furs!

For those who don't know: I was the little guy constantly in the way of the big drink dispensers filling hundreds of cups. Very sorry about that. As apparently people didn't realize until I told them (some as late as Sunday), I was curious if you noticed:

- The filled cups on the tables aligned in neat rows, spaced so they could be grabbed by furpaws, were free to take?
- The cups on the left side of the dispensers were only half-filled the last 2 days, so they wouldn't spill on furpaws if gripped too tightly?
- The cups upside-down on the table bunched together (placed on just-cleaned areas to keep the rims clean) were also free to take, so furs who preferred pouring their own drinks could do so without having to fumble with the stacks of cups with furpaws on?

If you didn't notice (which is nothing to be ashamed of, as it wasn't announced or written down anywhere), any good tips on how to improve this? Keep in mind, we don't want heads to roll during the opening ceremonies again next year, and it's not of big importance, so announcing it there is not really an option. And I am also not sure if making a sign would work: if you walk straight past 30 cups filled with bright green, would you read some text? =3


Next, here's what I hope will improve next year:

- No more glass in the fursuit lounge. No, seriously, I don't care where it comes from, what's in it, how tightly you'll hold on to it or how careful you are - the fursuit lounge is NOT the place to take your glass. Official word from more senior staff on people taking glass into the fursuit lounge: "they will be drawn and quartered". And I agree.
- People taking their (mostly) dry fursuits off the big pipe monsters, so others can use it, instead of using the fursuit lounge as their personal fursuit storage. For reference - the big bodysuit one had room for 56 suits, not counting the coatracks not connected to the blower. That's only about 1/10 of all the suiters at the con, and some have multiple suits. So please, try to remember and share the limited space we have with others.
- Even less used cups / paper on the floor, on the tables, between the fursuit heads / paws or stuck on the backs of fans blocking the airflow and making them less effective, because people didn't throw them in the bins. I even put up the lids on some of them so you wouldn't have to touch anything dirty with furpaws on, and yet people put the cups on the table literally 30 centimeters next to it and walked away. It's actually harder to focus on putting it on the table, than it is to stretch your arm above the bin, and relax your paw enough to let the cup drop into it. So I have only one question: why? ;_;


Last but not least, I would love to thank all the other people helping others in the fursuit lounge, pouring drinks and keeping it clean. And that includes everyone who threw away their own cups - far more this year than last year!

If you have any more suggestions, or things you particularly liked or disliked, please share!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Vector on 04.09.2012, 13:15:46
The things I really liked this year are :
- the water without ice
- the clocks so you can plan a minimum rest time
- the mirror to check your fursuit

Thanks to the fursuit team !  :)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Hai λ on 04.09.2012, 15:17:40
I remain concerned about the stickiness of a lot of surfaces in the lounge when it is in use. I watched very carefully where I put my paws.

Here is a proposal to think about for the cups: What if the tables with the drinks and the cups were arranged in a line, with a clear entrance and a clear exit? People would have to wait a couple more seconds to access their cups, but at the end of the line, you could put the garbage can, making it even clearer to everyone where the cups should go to after the process of drinking that is then already concluded.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Rattie on 04.09.2012, 15:52:47
The fur suit lounge was really good. Though I would recommend a few improvements to next time.
- full size mirrors (as mentioned) 1-2 should be enough)
- Pens to write names on plastic cups, and holder for them
- clocks and con schedules (as it is easy to lose track of time, when drying the suit)
- wireframe stands, to ease the drying of the masks/fursuit heads (when placed in front of/right over a ventilator)
- gel disinfectant (for the hands)
- guide on how to disinfect your fursuit

- regular washing of the floor
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: BD on 04.09.2012, 16:02:20
Very grateful for the water with no ice, and having more space than usual in the lounge. Full-length mirror would be very nice!

Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Pickle on 04.09.2012, 17:52:41
- People taking their (mostly) dry fursuits off the big pipe monsters, so others can use it, instead of using the fursuit lounge as their personal fursuit storage. For reference - the big bodysuit one had room for 56 suits, not counting the coatracks not connected to the blower. That's only about 1/10 of all the suiters at the con, and some have multiple suits. So please, try to remember and share the limited space we have with others.

THIS.

I was having a problem with my head's eyes fogging, and there were so many instances where I would loved to put it over the air blower, just for a few minutes, but couldn't, because all the space was taken.

The main problem was having no way of knowing who had just put their fursuit there and who had left it there for hours. I was frightened of removing someone's fursuit head and replacing it with my own for fear of someone having a go at me, or worse, pulling it off the blower and throwing it somewhere while I was elsewhere. >.<
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 04.09.2012, 22:13:00
Thanks everyone for the feedback! I'd like to comment on a few points:

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- clocks and con schedules

- guide on how to disinfect your fursuit

- regular washing of the floor / sticky surfaces

Clocks were already there, as a new addition! There were 2 very big white ones stuck to the wooden poles of the bodysuit dryers, and one of the visitors took one with him saying "Is it EF yet? Yes!" or something =) Adding some jumbo-prints of the schedule sounds like a good plan, I'll try to remember that!

A guide on how to disinfect your fursuit might be a bit tricker, but as there was apparently a fursuit with a brownish mold already growing in the padding, it might actually be worth it. ^_^'

Regular washing of the floor is probably out of our control, as it is carpet and not a solid surface. I think the hotel won't let us clean it, and I doubt they'll regularly wash it for us. I did however clean the tables in the middle about twice a day with soap, and I tried to at least wipe them clean with wet paper if they were sticky somewhere. I was afraid of cleaning the tables along the edge, as it would mean moving a lot of fursuit parts around, and I was not sure if people would appreciate me doing so. I will try to think of a solution to this, but if anybody has any ideas on how to keep (in particular) the tables on the edges clean, please let me know!

As for all the other points mentioned so far: you are not skipped, nor forgotten - I am reading everything here and will seriously look at all of them. I appreciate all the feedback so far, please keep it going! Together, I'm sure we can further improve the quality of the fursuit lounge =)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Suran on 04.09.2012, 22:24:51
The mirrors and the large clocks where a great idea.
It was huge, clean and worked very very well.
Great job!
Walked around a few times to pick up trash like I usually do
when around and not occupied but could hardly find any. ;)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: yagfox on 04.09.2012, 22:39:20
Still the best lounge in the fandom! :)

Giant clocks and mirrors a very welcome addition, and as always the wonder that is large vats of Eurofurence Green! :)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 04.09.2012, 23:04:42
Still the best lounge in the fandom! :)

Giant clocks and mirrors a very welcome addition, and as always the wonder that is large vats of Eurofurence Green! :)

You might be interested in this post: https://forum.eurofurence.org/index.php/topic,3321.msg31662.html#msg31662

Also, thanks for going around and picking up trash, Suran and all others who did so =)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Hai λ on 05.09.2012, 10:49:02
I have a suggestion regarding the drying problem, let me explain it for the paw and head dryer:
Right now, people use the slots randomly. Sometimes, if they recognize paws or heads dry or being in one place already for very long, they take the liberty to carefully take those off and place them somewhere else to use the drying stand on their own. The problem here is figuring out when something's dry...

What if for each table, there was some kind of clearly visible token, on the drying stand or table, that basically walks around the table? People could put their stuff up for drying and move the token further on in a defined direction around the table. Now, if we make an assumption about the drying load per time, it could very well be possible that once the token walked around the table once, the stuff that is still on the dryer and now at the token is already dry -- So everything that the token passes can be safely taken off, drought out properly.

Of course there remain open questions regarding how it would be handled when there are many suiters putting up their stuff at once, and how to convey it to everyone, but yeah, that's my suggestion.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Suran on 05.09.2012, 11:12:09
Sounds like fastfood-restaurant tokens and way over-engeneered.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Tekumseh on 05.09.2012, 11:27:26
Problem with that:
- in times of high usage, the token will move quite fast - so things won't be dry when it comes around
- when you remove something - where to put it so that the owner easily  finds it and doesn't have to start searching his parts? I think that is one major question that keeps people from removing things from dryers.

Unfortunately we cannot build something to house 200 Suits (which would be less than half the suits at EF) for we would need an area the size of the main stage for that. We need the cooperation of the suiters!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Furvan on 05.09.2012, 12:36:18
I am also pondering about the problem of all head dryer full and what todo with dry heads.
We would need somekind of extra space but where ?
Also the problem how to check if a head is dry or still wet...
I have to confess that i am not realy happy by touching into a complete soaked formeign suit heads for checking ;/
Same or worse for other suitparts.
(i mean not only one, it will to check dozzens or hundreds of them over the con)

The FL is NOT a Storage, thats the Rule, because of space and not guarded.
But its not a realy forceable rule.

Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: krakendwaggin on 05.09.2012, 12:46:59
This was my first real experience with a fursuit lounge, I really enjoyed it, the drying system was interesting but so darned useful, plus the vat of ice water, wonderful!

Though that vat o' green stuff, urgh!

Thanks to everyone who helped maintain it!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Schakaline on 05.09.2012, 13:19:01
Hmmm. Thinking of fast food restaurants. You know the little numbers on the side of the burger wrappers?  ;D

A little slip of paper on the head dryer where you can cross off the time you put down the head. Marked heads get removed after a few hours, unmarked heads can be removed at any time.

Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Gero on 05.09.2012, 13:57:50
Well storage place for fursuits could be a problem but you can always ad a couple of thoose transport containers as storage space, would ease on the burden, also you could design one off the conference room as "overflow hotel change/storage fursuit room" if youd like to.

But the most important thing to do would be to have a rule that says something like "thoose with room on Maritim hotel are asked to take theyre suits to theyre room as soon as practical and thus not overly store them at the fursuit lounge." That would free up some storage room for overflow hotell guests, that otherwise had quite a bit to stroll with theyre suits.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Suran on 05.09.2012, 14:02:13
It was said to do that every year.
People just didn't listen.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Cheetah on 05.09.2012, 14:06:50
So every receptacle at the drying machine needs a spring-loaded mechanism that automatically launches the attached suit out of the window after a fixed amount of time :)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: leinir on 05.09.2012, 14:14:32
That, Cheetah, is perhaps the best idea i've heard to date ;)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Furvan on 05.09.2012, 14:23:36
So every receptacle at the drying machine needs a spring-loaded mechanism that automatically launches the attached suit out of the window after a fixed amount of time :)

I vote for a juggler which can juggle all dry heads at same time.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Suran on 05.09.2012, 14:30:21
Make that an automatic vertical parking system with Iron Man style automatic un- and redresser.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: MOW on 05.09.2012, 14:37:12
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Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Quincy the Raccoon on 05.09.2012, 17:48:35
Yes I agree... best lounge of the Fandom!! Mirror and clocks were great idea, and that green stuff was also yummy (what was it?)
Bit annoying part: when I tried to dry my head, most of the time there was no room  :'( So I hád to carry it around or position it at a fan. Also noticed that some fans were rotating at various speeds... hummm?
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 05.09.2012, 20:40:25
@SunWolf: the 'Eurofurence Green' is called 'Waldmeister', or 'Woodruff' in English. I linked to a post earlier in this topic containing info on online import shops for the UK, but I'm sure there's similar things for the Netherlands, if you're interested. =)

@Cheetah: so, I have your official permission then? =D

@Gero: I wish it was that easy. As I mentioned earlier: some furs would rather take the effort to put empty cups they won't reuse on a table, than relax their paws enough to let it fall into an open wastebin literally 30 centimeters away (so they won't even have to touch the lid). If that's the case, then I doubt they'll take the effort to go back to the fursuit lounge occasionally to check if their suit is already dry enough to move. I personally delayed something as important as dinner for hours several days during the con, so even I probably would delay something as 'minor' as this despite ranting on it several times. Conventions can get hectic, and there's too many unforeseen circumstances causing delays. If we want to achieve progress, we need a system that doesn't fully depend on people being courteous, even if they are.

@All: I love this discussion. I think doco's number idea is possibly the best so far, not counting MOW's image (which would be easier to check but harder to implement). A few extra coat racks are probably not a bad idea, and maybe a rack for mostly dry heads and paws. The main problem is designing something that is inexpensive, not too space consuming, is easy to set up, and won't take another truck to transport. I heard the transport crew already hates the giant pipe monsters connected to the blowers, we don't want them to go "AAAAAAAAAH !@#$ THIS" and throwing it all in a dumpster. =P
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Gero on 05.09.2012, 22:48:45
lol Jake, but one thing you do have is a lot of overhead air room. If you can find a way to build curtain type movable (up and down) storage devices think youll have trippled the storage capacity at one move. Or you can arrange with a flight of stairs and a balcony type off walkways, but I guess that would be not so loved by the truck and construction department...  m( #p
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Drift on 05.09.2012, 23:51:27
First off all: for me, it was also the first time suiting, and I was impressed by the lounge and appriciated it a lot!

Drinks: Wow! Big variety, water with and without ice, coulerd sugar drinks with and without ice - perfect! Though placing filled cups on the tables did not work for me, as most of the times I wanted the drinks with ice. And the drinks in the cups got to warm. Plus, I like to reuse my cups, having the urge to reduce vaste to a minimum. So yes, I might have stored the one or the other EMPTY cup around the dressing tables from time to time, my appologies for that. But I alway got rid of them eventualy.
Food: Again - great to have. But: the salty things did not apear on the tables untill one of the last days. It was sugary stuff only at first. If I would have known that there were Prezel packs just underneath the tables, I would have got them myself - but I just did not!
Storing things: As mentioned by others, I had the same problem in not having a room at the Maritim. And while I removed head and paws after they were dry, I did not bother with the suit and let it on the blower longer than necessary, yes. The reason for that beeing mainly the little amount of ordinary coat racks - I agree with the opinion that more of these will help to get more free blower places. But also, I never really realized that there were not enough places for the suit driers (I always found a place without searching). The paws and heads situation was indeed anoying, there I indeed ended up not gettting a place a few times.
Catapulting dry stuff out of the windows: *shrieeeeeeks*

Ideas for next year:
Make use of the area on the right side just after the main entrance. Left side for the fotoshooting, right side for the drinks, rest for drying and changing. By doing so, you got more total space, you keep the drinks from the changing tables, and you might use the place where the drinks were this year for more changing tables and/or coat racks. You could also do two entrances: the one we had this year with direct acess to the changing area, and a second one that goes immediatly to the right and that leads into the drinking area. From the latter, you should be able to acess the changing area directly, though.
OR
Put a second fotoshooting set to the right, in order to double the shooting slots (that is, if the foto shooting team could split up doing their job??) 

Finally: Dear staff, thank you so very much for your effort! There was always drinks in the barrels, and always food on the tables, I had never to search for clean cups, the place was really tidy and clean for 544 suiters rummaging around. Providing the sprays for the suits was another great bonus. And I am sure it is a big load of work to set up the place and disemble it afterwards. It was pleasant to suit at the con, and that was for a big part due to your commitment. *great bow* 
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 06.09.2012, 01:04:59
You've got some interesting points there Drift, some quick remarks:

- From what I've heard, the pretzels weren't there until later because they didn't show up as planned. So, they only arrived because someone (Mystifur?) bought them in a nearby shop, apparently.
- I threw away every used cup as soon as I found them on the tables in the middle, and those with the dryers. I only cleared the tables along the edge about once a day, to allow people to reuse cups, as you mentioned. The problem with this is that people kept moving the blowers around, causing empty cups to get sucked up against the backs of them. More on this later.
- Using the area to the right of the main entry for drinks is not an option, as this would mean even people without fursuit (who I believe are allowed to get to the photoshoot?) can grab drinks there. I think the hotel won't appreciate us giving drinks to ALL the visitors, instead of just those who obviously really need some. =3 Not to mention those who can't drink with fursuit heads on would have to pour drinks with paws on, carry their drinks all the way to the headless section first with paws still on, put down their drinks, take off the head... or alternatively, take off the head in a public area, which as we know is kinda 'not done'. Similarly, I don't think another photoshoot is an option due to the area on the right being too small, and another full lighting set would cost too much. It might be used for other things next year, like how it was used for some preliminaries games last year, but I doubt we can find any fursuit lounge related purposes. =)

As for reducing waste: I have been thinking of placing some quick-drying, non-staining black markers in the fursuit lounge so people could mark their cups. Then, one proper cleaning every night / morning to throw out ALL the cups, and only throw out the unmarked used cups during regular sweeps through the lounge. Maybe place some tables away from the airstreams just for cups, so the cups won't get caught behind the blowers or blown away. Can anyone see any serious problems with this? Maybe someone has something to add?
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Tekumseh on 06.09.2012, 01:17:42
[...]
Ideas for next year:
Make use of the area on the right side just after the main entrance. Left side for the fotoshooting, right side for the drinks, rest for drying and changing. By doing so, you got more total space, you keep the drinks from the changing tables, and you might use the place where the drinks were this year for more changing tables and/or coat racks. You could also do two entrances: the one we had this year with direct acess to the changing area, and a second one that goes immediatly to the right and that leads into the drinking area. From the latter, you should be able to acess the changing area directly, though.
OR
Put a second fotoshooting set to the right, in order to double the shooting slots (that is, if the foto shooting team could split up doing their job??) 
And have two complete sets with backdrop, lighting, props and everything? Highly unlikely. Also we can't split Thalian *g* On the other hand... *thinking* cloning did work well with Gyroplast the other year...

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Finally: Dear staff, thank you so very much for your effort! There was always drinks in the barrels, and always food on the tables, I had never to search for clean cups, the place was really tidy and clean for 544 suiters rummaging around. Providing the sprays for the suits was another great bonus. And I am sure it is a big load of work to set up the place and disemble it afterwards. It was pleasant to suit at the con, and that was for a big part due to your commitment. *great bow* 

Thank you for your kind words - seeing ppl enjoy all that really makes up for the work :) We will try to do even better next year (storage and stuff) - lets see which possibilities we get!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Drift on 06.09.2012, 01:31:57
@ Space on the right: Ok, second set of fotoshooting would have been to sweet to come through ;D. But for the drinking thing: what about using more boards to space out that area and include it to the rest of the headless area? So basically create an L shaped space instead of a square? People would go in like they did this year, take there heads and paws of, and move to that part of the room afterwards...
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 06.09.2012, 01:45:58
It might work, but the path in front of the tables would be narrow and could get crowded easily. Not to mention the big amount of extra boards required (I'm not sure if there are any more available).

I'd rather let this be handled by Mystifur, though - this goes a bit further than speculation on what could be good ideas, and into specific implementations.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: gaz_a on 06.09.2012, 02:44:30
The fursuit head drying problem seems to be a problem at every con.  Somebody will build a lovely head drying tree/rack, and people will put their head on there even though they have no intention of returning for many hours (or at the end of the con!).   Maybe a few signs along the row might help?  "1HR MAX / *NOT* FOR STORAGE" ?
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: enteirah on 06.09.2012, 08:40:40
The only bit of feedback I can really give on the Fursuit Lounge (as I wasn't able to use it despite being a fursuiter :p) is more to do with security and access to the lounge.

In previous years, I've understood the fursuit badges have always just been a bit of a 'nice' item, more there for people who have a different name for their fursuit to what they have for their main badge/registration, and certainly I've never bothered getting one as my suit just has the same name. Security on the door this year informed me that they were now mandatory to use the fursuit lounge though and that just having a fursuit isn't enough (bit irritating when you've just carried the whole suit over from the overflow hotel with you, but I'll live). Assuming this was correct, it's a fair enough change in policy and understandable to keep the lounge from being overcrowded with non-suiters, but could the specific dependence on the fursuit badges be better communicated in advance next year? I'd not really spotted anything in the pre-release posts on the badges suggesting the increased importance of them this time round, nor does the conbook seem to mention it under either the lounge or reg sections. If the info on what is quite an important rule is better put across next year it could probably avoid some disappointment on the door. :)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: krakendwaggin on 06.09.2012, 08:57:55
The only bit of feedback I can really give on the Fursuit Lounge (as I wasn't able to use it despite being a fursuiter :p) is more to do with security and access to the lounge.

In previous years, I've understood the fursuit badges have always just been a bit of a 'nice' item, more there for people who have a different name for their fursuit to what they have for their main badge/registration, and certainly I've never bothered getting one as my suit just has the same name. Security on the door this year informed me that they were now mandatory to use the fursuit lounge though and that just having a fursuit isn't enough (bit irritating when you've just carried the whole suit over from the overflow hotel with you, but I'll live). Assuming this was correct, it's a fair enough change in policy and understandable to keep the lounge from being overcrowded with non-suiters, but could the specific dependence on the fursuit badges be better communicated in advance next year? I'd not really spotted anything in the pre-release posts on the badges suggesting the increased importance of them this time round, nor does the conbook seem to mention it under either the lounge or reg sections. If the info on what is quite an important rule is better put across next year it could probably avoid some disappointment on the door. :)

I'd always thought they were mandatory, admittedly this was my 3rd Eurofurence and this was my first time using it, last year when I helped a friend get his suit back to his room, security would only let us in since my friend had a badge with him, but yet, this year I only got asked two maybe three times to show a fursuit badge, it would make a bit more sense if they actually were mandatory since then EF can help keep tabs on those who actually wish to use the lounge, though I only noticed security around there a handful of times, most of the time it seemed like just anyone could walk in.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Tekumseh on 06.09.2012, 10:26:54
Fursuit-Badges Though it was stated in the conbook, that the Suiter-Lounge was ment to be entered by suiters and their immediate helpers only, the Fursuit badge was - unlike last year - not mandatory. There were a few misunderstandings in the team though, which lead to the fact that some seccies were actually told that the badge would be mandatory (at least for people entering without suit), but that should have been corrected during the con. We are terribly sorry that this lead to confusion and miscommunication toward suiters.

Guard-Posts Actually we guarded the lounge only part time, since it actually costs a lot of manpower: one slot is one hour, two seccies per slot, 4 days (3 whole days, wed + sun as half day) -> 192 slots during the con - to give you a feeling what this number means: that would be around 2/3 of all other slot during the whole con! So yes - basicly anyone can walk in and there is not much we can do about it - even more so during dances, when there is easy access through the stage.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Gero on 06.09.2012, 10:41:40

As for reducing waste: I have been thinking of placing some quick-drying, non-staining black markers in the fursuit lounge so people could mark their cups. Then, one proper cleaning every night / morning to throw out ALL the cups, and only throw out the unmarked used cups during regular sweeps through the lounge. Maybe place some tables away from the airstreams just for cups, so the cups won't get caught behind the blowers or blown away. Can anyone see any serious problems with this? Maybe someone has something to add?
The problem would be the the risk off getting suits marked with black (or whatever the collors is) paint at unwanted spots, so yes, maybe not such an neat idea after all...
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: krakendwaggin on 06.09.2012, 10:53:55
Guard-Posts Actually we guarded the lounge only part time, since it actually costs a lot of manpower: one slot is one hour, two seccies per slot, 4 days (3 whole days, wed + sun as half day) -> 192 slots during the con - to give you a feeling what this number means: that would be around 2/3 of all other slot during the whole con! So yes - basicly anyone can walk in and there is not much we can do about it - even more so during dances, when there is easy access through the stage.

Ahh, fair enough, I will still say the security team are a awesome bunch of guys ^_^
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Schakaline on 06.09.2012, 11:47:34
Get a slow-moving belt to put the heads on.

Put this at the end of the belt.

(http://www.wildensorg.de/bilder/brennerei/haecksler.jpg)

Problem solved.  ;D
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Atalon on 06.09.2012, 11:57:52
Hi Folks

Fursuit Lounge my review.

Positive:

- Nice Racks with love build - maybe stronger Fans (Cyclone Fans - Look Bouncy Castle Fans) !
- Lots of Space for even more Racks
- Good served drink and sweets tables.
- nice People

Suggestion:

- more Security - I had a couple of time that non con people going around in the lounge. maybe hard waning signs in front of the entry could help here.
- bit more cleaning - maybe more rubbish bins would help or signs for the fursuiters - keep tidy.
- maybe a locker wardrobe with keys - for valuables since so many people using the Lounge - you never know.

Regards

Atalon







Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Sithy on 06.09.2012, 12:08:54
+ Cool drinks were always available no matter the hour, thanks for refilling all the drinks dispensers so often :)
+ Candy and salty treats were always available as well, again, thanks for keeping that refilled despite the late hours
+ Clocks, yay!

People hogging the drying stations is always a problem. At Furry Weekend Holland we have a 'manager' walking around keeping an eye on things and gently placing dry suit heads/parts on another rack, but!! we have maybe 30 suiters there at most...considering the sheer amount of fursuiters at EF, I don't think there's really an easy solution for this. Taking paws/heads off of the stand and putting them somewhere else would be nearly undoable, plus it wouldn't be nice to come back and find someone has moved your stuff. Just the idea of it, I guess?
The solution should come from the suiters: use the drying devices when you need them, but don't leave your stuff and give others a chance too :) I personally don't feel I can expect EF staff to "fix" this. There is only so much they can do ^^
This aside I was very happy with the lounge :) Cooling down was quick and easy. For longterm head drying I just used my own fan in our room.


The filled cups on the table were a good idea, but I was mostly afraid of accidently knocking them over with my tail (I have big tails on some of my suits) I had to walk veeeery carefully around the tables. I liked the idea though :) But maybe put them in a corner next year or something? Wasn't a huge deal just something to consider.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 06.09.2012, 16:15:34

As for reducing waste: I have been thinking of placing some quick-drying, non-staining black markers in the fursuit lounge so people could mark their cups. Then, one proper cleaning every night / morning to throw out ALL the cups, and only throw out the unmarked used cups during regular sweeps through the lounge. Maybe place some tables away from the airstreams just for cups, so the cups won't get caught behind the blowers or blown away. Can anyone see any serious problems with this? Maybe someone has something to add?
The problem would be the the risk off getting suits marked with black (or whatever the collors is) paint at unwanted spots, so yes, maybe not such an neat idea after all...

That is why I specified quick-drying non-staining markers. To prevent accidents they should probably be linked to the tables (wires + duct tape, anyone?) with the marked cups on them, out of the airstream, as I mentioned earlier. If you're afraid of getting marker on your suit, simply don't go there in suit =3 This would require such a table to be placed in the fursuit lounge somewhere though, and this is not a decision I can make.

If anybody has any other remarks, please let me know! I'm sure the furry hivemind can come up with the perfect solution sooner or later =)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Furvan on 06.09.2012, 16:20:53
I dont think that these little extra trash by thin plastic cups earn the possible trouble of handling around with permanent markers.
I have to confess i done less FL checks as i planned by circumstances, but every time i cleaned every ownerless looking or grounded or skipped cup away.
Also because this was mostly at very early or very late time, where the FL was quite less visited or deserted.


Ready to use filled cups are very good and more a very need in rush hours like around the parade,
because much poeple need water NOW!,
but all other times i personaly feel better if i had filled the cup by myself or know its fresh filled.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 06.09.2012, 17:20:34
Ready to use filled cups are very good and more a very need in rush hours like around the parade,
because much poeple need water NOW!,
but all other times i personaly feel better if i had filled the cup by myself or know its fresh filled.


A valid point and an opinion shared by many, so I feel I should share my observations on this:

I was personally also afraid I would waste a lot of drinks and cups by pouring too many cups at once. However, I only had to throw out a very small amount of cups (10-20, maybe?) that stood there and were never used out of the many hundreds that I filled and put down. To put that in perspective, I probably threw out more water (etc.) from half-drank cups that were littering all over the place, so overall I'd say that's not too shabby. Seeing as at certain points in time the filled cups literally disappeared faster than I could replace them, then minutes later newly poured cups just stood there and weren't taken for 2 hours or longer, it is extremely hard for me to guess when to add more filled cups. The best I can do is pour more cups of whatever is taken more of (Eurofurence Green) than what is more often ignored (non-ice water, closely followed by iced water) and see what happens. I just know that as long as I receive more "thank you"'s than I have to throw out cups nobody touches, I'll continue doing this. =)

In case anyone is still wondering: it is not mandatory to use the filled cups, or to use the single clean cups I placed on the table upside down for pouring your own drink. You can always grab a cup from a roll and pour a drink yourself. The filled cups are merely there as an extra service, mainly for those in a rush and those who have trouble pouring their own cups with furpaws on. Oh, and if you happen to see me around while in fursuit and want another drink, I will gladly refill a cup you already have to cut down on used cups. Never be afraid to ask - the staff is there to help, and unless you ask them, they won't bite (hard)!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Chi-Yu on 06.09.2012, 18:55:18
If you didn't notice (which is nothing to be ashamed of, as it wasn't announced or written down anywhere), any good tips on how to improve this? Keep in mind, we don't want heads to roll during the opening ceremonies again next year, and it's not of big importance, so announcing it there is not really an option. And I am also not sure if making a sign would work: if you walk straight past 30 cups filled with bright green, would you read some text? =3
Text? This is the furry fandom. We have tons of artists. Let someone draw a picture which says more than 1000 words.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 06.09.2012, 18:59:53
If you didn't notice (which is nothing to be ashamed of, as it wasn't announced or written down anywhere), any good tips on how to improve this? Keep in mind, we don't want heads to roll during the opening ceremonies again next year, and it's not of big importance, so announcing it there is not really an option. And I am also not sure if making a sign would work: if you walk straight past 30 cups filled with bright green, would you read some text? =3
Text? This is the furry fandom. We have tons of artists. Let someone draw a picture which says more than 1000 words.

... that's... actually not such a bad idea, really. I just need to know what should be in the picture(s). =D
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Sera on 06.09.2012, 22:53:25
my only problem within the lounge was the fans that are supposed to be helping those cool down those in suit were being used to dry a head or a full suit when there was space in the appropriate areas, kinda difficult to have several huddling round one fan because they cant use the others =P everything else was great though!

also, that green drink in the lounge, the taste reminded me of this...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0HIUHHoqGaA/UBbKtiPyjXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/3FMiSdQAY_w/s1600/playdoh1.jpg)

anyone else agree with me on the drink? =P
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: krakendwaggin on 06.09.2012, 23:20:07
anyone else agree with me on the drink? =P

That vat o' green stuff which was absolutely vile, I'd hoped it was lime or apple, nope, 'Woodruff' or as it's known there 'Eurofurence Green', uuuurgh, lunged right to the water after I had some.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: James The Dog on 06.09.2012, 23:25:03
I missed the cherry drink they had in the lounge last year!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Tioh on 06.09.2012, 23:45:02
Woodruff is delicious - I like it  :)
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: yagfox on 07.09.2012, 00:02:53
Eurofurence Green is one of the things that makes Eurofurence Eurofurence.
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Mystifur on 07.09.2012, 14:31:03
Hi there,

Mystifur here. Master of desaster, herder of cats.
This is my first off-day after EF, so time to appear here it seems.  ;D

Dear Suiters, it was great to see you all enjoying our services so much.
I would like to wholeheartedly thank my team and volunteers for helping so much.

Kazzador and his girlfriend volunteer whos name I forgot, for setup and providing service for many hours.
Tekumseh, JonathanO and the other people whom I basically hijacket to help with the setup and breakdown.
Furvan, Wolffire, Doco for helping in the lounge despite their other jobs.
Tigerseye for Dealing with the entire fursuit badge business.
The security team for their eyes on the lounge and the help with the parade.
...and Jake (Who, while new on ther team, is appearantly either going for my job, or planning to have his bed placed in the lounge to he can work there 24/7 next year.)  ;)

"Starship Fursuit-Lounge" is an ongoing adventure we've been working on all the time, with a lot of planning unnoticed in the background.
It took me 10 years to get it to where it is now, and I could absolutely not do it without my crew and helpers. Thank you so much.

I would also like to thank everyone for their input and ideas. Please keep 'em coming. :-)
We will not (be able to) use all of them, since some just fail to work out in reality.
And believe me, during the last decade, the senior lounge staff had ample opportunity to find out what works out, and what just doesn't. *g*
Yet, we still aim to improve  ...else, it wouldn't be Eurofurence now, would it ?
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Jake R on 07.09.2012, 14:41:23
...and Jake (Who, while new on ther team, is appearantly either going for my job, or planning to have his bed placed in the lounge to he can work there 24/7 next year.)  ;)

I think I do much better when not in a leading position, but a bed in the fursuit lounge? Biggest bedroom in the entire hotel, yes please! =D
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Fairlight on 07.09.2012, 14:57:27
You'll wake up every day surrounded by fluffy critters. That'd be awesome!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Schakaline on 07.09.2012, 14:58:59
You'll wake up every day surrounded by fluffy critters. That'd be awesome!

I ended up with fake fur in my UNDERWEAR, and I didn't even fursuit! :P
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Drachetto on 07.09.2012, 15:13:05
You'll wake up every day surrounded by fluffy critters. That'd be awesome!

This! :-* :D
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Quincy the Raccoon on 11.10.2012, 21:02:40
Woodruff is delicious - I like it  :)
Yeah, I agree but where to buy it? I searched high and low in the Netherlands but no one seems to know where to get it!
Title: Re: Fursuit Lounge
Post by: Ragear on 11.10.2012, 23:08:01
look for "Waldmeister Sirup" on ebay for starters

Ragear