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Title: About Berlin...
Post by: Jorinda on 27.01.2014, 15:00:18
New town, new things to discover. Therefore, let's collect some information.

- Places one should visit? (Apart from the standard stuff that's mentioned in travel guides)
- Does anyone know good restaurants near the Estrel?

- Any places one should avoid? (You know, every town has those few streets where you wouldn't want to go...)

- Especially for the fursuiters: Great places for photos? Any places where one should not go in fursuit (apart from common sense stuff like banks)? For example, is it legal to wear a face-covering mask near the government buildings or embassies?



My recommendation: If you want a nice view over Berlin, go to the Funkturm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkturm_Berlin). Tickets are 5 €.
The Fernsehturm (http://www.tv-turm.de/en/index.php) is more famous, but entrance costs 12.50€.
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: RedFoxy on 27.01.2014, 19:03:52
whoa! Really cool!  :o
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Post by: FinnOWolf on 27.01.2014, 19:10:01
Interesting.  :) I am also curious to know places those are worth visiting.
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: VulpesRex on 28.01.2014, 08:54:58
   Wait - If I read that Wikipedia entry about the Funkterm right,... then the City of Berlin was founded 777 years ago, this year?!?

 
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Sambers on 28.01.2014, 22:21:03
I would guess the Berlin Wall would be a must-see, as well as Hitler's bunker :)

I am a total novice when it comes to Berlin though, it will be my first time visiting but this is what I've heard from other people/blogs that I've read.

Definately planning on seeing the Wall when I am there for EF though ^^
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Post by: KyuubiSaoirse on 28.01.2014, 22:51:36
If you like to shop; Alexanderplatz. There are really great stores there, and on the streets connected to it :D
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: kalaallitamaroq on 29.01.2014, 22:23:22
Sambers: the Berlin wall was dismantled 25 years ago :) there are still some small pieces here and there, kept for historical value, some are even still in Berlin (e.g. two pieces are actually here in Paris, see a complete list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Berlin_Wall_segments (yay for Kiwipedia having articles about EVERYTHING))

Personally, I'll try to go on the Fernsehturm in Alexanderplatz.
The Brandenburg Gate is also surely interesting to see, and Unter den Lindeln, and Checkpoint Charlie in Friedrichstraße!
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Dhary Montecore on 30.01.2014, 00:12:01
There is actually a piece of the Berlin wall on the very grounds of the hotel. :D

And regarding the city, there are quite a few nice spots for sight-seeing and photos. Just two words of caution: please be aware that Berlin is the capital of Germany and the area around the Brandenburg gate is a government/embassy area. In that part of the city armed guards from many different countries are present and the police is very sensitive there. On top of that you are not allowed to take photos of some buildings there - I myself have once been told off for taking a picture of an armed guard there. If you go fursuiting there, please be considerate in what you do and if in doubt, stop and take off your head – hiding your face, even in a fursuit, might make some people there jumpy. That said, almost anyone there speaks English, so quickly asking if you could take a photo should work just fine. :)

Second: Berlin is wonderful city of many cultures. Everything you can think of can be found there and most people will be very tolerant. However, Berlin is also a huge city with more than 3.5 million citizens and more than 10(!) million tourists from all around the world every year. While this is the perfect home for a community as open and outgoing as us, some of those people will not be as tolerant or friendly as the majority. Some might take offence to our way to party or fursuiting for many reasons, not limited to conservative opinions or religious beliefs. We expect Berlin to welcome us as a new, colourful and fun asset to the city, but please keep in mind that such a enormous metropolis might have areas where our ways are not welcome. Just like any other major city, please keep these words in mind when you roam this great place. :)
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Post by: Rattie on 11.02.2014, 18:05:01
How about Tirgarten? It seems like a really nice place to fursuit and pose for photos.
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Jorinda on 12.02.2014, 10:09:51
How about Tiergarten? It seems like a really nice place to fursuit and pose for photos.
It is really nice.
As Dhary already mentioned - be careful when fursuiting near the government buildings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_building).

More photo opportunities at the Tiergarten would be the Brandenburg Gate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_Gate), the Bellevue Palace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellevue_Palace_%28Germany%29) and the Victory Column (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Victory_Column).
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Rattie on 12.02.2014, 13:10:54
Some might take offence to our way to party or fursuiting for many reasons, not limited to conservative opinions or religious beliefs.
If there are placed we shouldn't go fursuiting under any circumstances, could they be marked on a map? Including 'risky' areas where extra concerns/care needs to be considered, like around government buildings?
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Cheetah on 12.02.2014, 13:26:00
Some might take offence to our way to party or fursuiting for many reasons, not limited to conservative opinions or religious beliefs.
If there are placed we shouldn't go fursuiting under any circumstances, could they be marked on a map? Including 'risky' areas where extra concerns/care needs to be considered, like around government buildings?

We are talking about a 800 square kilometer metropolitain area. There is no way we can provide a detailed map, nor do we want to. Outside the hotel, everybody is an adult, responsible human being. We're not going to make ourselves responsible for anybody's safety outside of the little space that is actually under our control :)

I would suggest googling for public sources, and then make up your mind, and use your own judgement. A quick search found, for example, this:

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Germany/Land_Berlin/Berlin-75302/Warnings_or_Dangers-Berlin-TG-C-1.html

But I'm sure there are more sources, and they might show different opinions.
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Silwer on 14.03.2014, 22:13:46
There is actually a piece of the Berlin wall on the very grounds of the hotel. :D

Really?! Thats actualy a part of history I will have to have a look at
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Tarkan the Wolf on 30.04.2014, 22:35:20
Well on what i've seen on the map near the Estrel, there are many Turkish resturants and kebab shops in Berlin.

I think i might be very poplular in Berlin if the Turks see me in my fursuit and it could help kick start the Furry Fandom (Proper) in my home country :D

Plus a Turkish newspaper was in Magdeburg last year observing the fursuit parade, it might get bigger coverage this time by Turkish TV!
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Cheetah on 01.05.2014, 00:03:38
I think i might be very poplular in Berlin if the Turks see me in my fursuit and it could help kick start the Furry Fandom (Proper) in my home country :D

Hmm... they're immigrants often living isolated from their home country for up to three generations - so you're dealing with people who have a very weird contradictory mixture of modern german (youth) culture and 1950's turkish conservative religious and family ideals - and the majority tends to be viciously homophobic. Which is a problem if you're dealing with furries ... so, unless you have the luck to bump into the upperclass, intellectual individuals, don't expect too much love from your fellow (ex)countrymen.

Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Tarkan the Wolf on 01.05.2014, 00:12:36
I think i might be very poplular in Berlin if the Turks see me in my fursuit and it could help kick start the Furry Fandom (Proper) in my home country :D

Hmm... they're immigrants often living isolated from their home country for up to three generations - so you're dealing with people who have a very weird contradictory mixture of modern german (youth) culture and 1950's turkish conservative religious and family ideals - and the majority tends to be viciously homophobic. Which is a problem if you're dealing with furries ... so, unless you have the luck to bump into the upperclass, intellectual individuals, don't expect too much love from your fellow (ex)countrymen.



In Germany, you have the Turks who are proud to be Turkish (like me) and you have the ones who have no interest on who they really are (which is a shame and it's the same problem in the UK)

Well i'm not gay so they have nothing to worry about and of course the fandom have gay ppl in it. They may know this, they may not know at all! I don't think there will be a problem Cheetah..... (I hope not anyway) 0_o;

I don't know if this year's fursuit parade is going to be like AC Style (indoors) or outdoors? I hope to greet the public like i did in Magdeburg. :3

Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Jorinda on 02.06.2014, 11:56:24
There is actually a piece of the Berlin wall on the very grounds of the hotel. :D

Really?! Thats actualy a part of history I will have to have a look at
Hmmm... I have mixed feelings about this.
It sure is very interesting, and something every visitor should see.
On the other hand, we'll probably end up with fursuiters happily posing with the piece of wall. Which does make me uncomfortable, as it is a symbol of past oppression, and people died at the Berlin wall.
I sure can't and won't stop anyone from taking all the pictures they like. But a group of fluffy rainbow plushy people posing with the wall might seem disrespectful.

(But maybe I'm just over-sensitive.)
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Cheetah on 02.06.2014, 12:17:00
On the other hand, we'll probably end up with fursuiters happily posing with the piece of wall. Which does make me uncomfortable, as it is a symbol of past oppression, and people died at the Berlin wall.

It is also a symbol of libration, and the celebration of freedom. It really depends on how you look at it.

(http://adst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/berlin_celebrating3.jpg)
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Jorinda on 02.06.2014, 12:58:29
On the other hand, we'll probably end up with fursuiters happily posing with the piece of wall. Which does make me uncomfortable, as it is a symbol of past oppression, and people died at the Berlin wall.

It is also a symbol of libration, and the celebration of freedom. It really depends on how you look at it.
I agree. As I said, my thoughts on that might just be over-sensitive. Everyone has their own views on history and how to act with it, and I won't tell others what to think and do.  :)
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: mstrlitamacwolf on 09.06.2014, 14:21:06
Im to arrive early just so i can see berlin. I want to eat, drink and see the best berlin has to show me.
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Sambers on 09.06.2014, 16:25:12
I've been reading up on Berlin a little bit through blogs and such.
I also used Google maps to see what restaurants are around the hotel and there's quite a few, lots of different types of food as well :)

The blogs told me about things to do and see in Berlin and I found out that there are 'open air cinemas' in Berlin during the summer which might be a cool thing to visit if you like movies :) But be sure to go to OV (Original Version)  otherwise you might get a german dub ;P
There are also 'beach tents' scattered throughout the city which give you the feel of being at the beach, they have all sorts of drinks and lounge chairs for you to sit in while you enjoy some sun with the sand beneath your feet (Yeah, they actually have sand there, haha)
I also hear that a Biergarten is a very cool place to visit as a tourist, lots of different beers to taste and very nice food ^^

Lastly, Bus 100 drives you through Berlin and visits most of the big tourist places, so if you're interested in visiting that it'd be worth it buying a bus ticket :)
You can get a 1 day public transport ticket for €6,50 per day, but I'm not sure if this is only for the subway/trains or if it's valid on the busses as well? If one of the locals could give any further info on that I'd appreciate it ^^

Anyway, that's what little info I have but I felt like I should share ^^
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Jorinda on 10.06.2014, 09:45:53
I also hear that a Biergarten is a very cool place to visit as a tourist, lots of different beers to taste and very nice food ^^
The Estrel has this: http://www.estrel.com/de/hotel/restaurants-bars/sommergarten.html
(They just mention a cocktail bar in the garden, but I'm sure they have beer, too.)
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Jaryic on 03.07.2014, 15:29:18
Hi, I would like to recommend to visit the Pergamon Museum.
The museum houses three of the Staatliche Museen zu Berlin’s collections:

It has some impressive reconstructions of massive archaeological structures:

If you're interested I would especially recommend to go there this year since the hall containing the Pergamon Altar will close for restoration at the end of September 2014 and will remain closed to the public for five years, due for reopening in 2019.

Get more Info at the Pergamon Museum Webpage (http://www.smb.museum/en/museums-and-institutions/pergamonmuseum/home.html)

If you are an artist, make sure to take your sketchbook and camera with you. :)

Enjoy Berlin!
-Jaryic
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: Ziggy_wolf on 06.08.2014, 20:21:30
A friend of mine told me there are jump-on tourbusses down there. Could I get some info on that if anybody knows.
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Post by: o'wolf on 06.08.2014, 21:25:12
A friend of mine told me there are jump-on tourbusses down there. Could I get some info on that if anybody knows.

Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but bus line 100 (http://www.berlin.de/en/tourism/photos-and-pictures/1776609-2964806.gallery.en.html?page=1) and a day ticket seems to be a good idea.
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Post by: Akulatraxas on 07.08.2014, 00:04:07
Bus 100 is a good idea, there is even an Audio Guide.
Another real good thing is take the ship. Berlin is full of water and youll see alot from ship. The Hotel has even its "own" pier. You get the tickets from the Hotel Concierge.
Title: Re: About Berlin...
Post by: charon on 18.08.2014, 13:47:49
Well... sorry to comment so late, but as a professional in the tourist business, I guess I should.

Most important thing first:

Berlin is big. 892 square kilometer big. Use public transport, or rent a bike.

Tours:
Bus tours, Ok for a general overview.
Boat tours, avoid the piddly one hour inner city tours, unless you've got no time. General consensus is that the "Grosse Brückenfahrt" tours are best, but somewhat longish at three hours.
Walking Tours, too many to comment on. Usually somewhat limited in range.
Guided bike tours (rental included, if needed), recommended, especially Berlin on Bike, inside the Kulturbrauerei, close to Eberswalder Strasse station on subway line 2. Usually feature quite a few interesting "behind the scenes" locations.
Guided tours in a bicycle rikshaw, very recommended if pricey, but the driver usually can find a tour to fit your interests, or improvise one off the beaten paths. Alternatively, for groups of 4-6 people, tours on Conference Bikes, usually off Brandenburg Gate.

Sights:
TV tower, pricey and waiting times up to several hours. Not really recommended.
Kohlhoff tower at Potsdamer Platz, a lot cheaper, no waiting time, still a nice view.
Siegessäule inside Tiergarten park, great view, 285 steps up, though.
Zionskirche in Prenzlauer Berg district, accessible for a donation, good view.
Kreuzberg inside Viktoriapark, free, great view, inside the most beautiful "Gründerzeit" (early Wilhelminian era) Park of Berlin. Unfortunately, the waterfall is likely still offline. Bonus: walk down Methfesselstrasse for a memorial to the first computer manufactory of the world.
Radio Tower, good view, easy to get to via Ringbahn S4[12].

Museums:
Pergamon and Neues Museum on museum island. Naturkundemuseum at Invalidenstrasse east of Hauptbahnhof. Ramones Museum at Krausnickstrasse, near the new synagoge. Hanfmuseum at Mühlendamm, Nikolai quarter.

Eat:
Berlin is a city with a lot of fast food culture. Most Berliners don't include McDonalds/Burger King & Co. in the "culture" part though.
Curry 36, Habibi's at subway station Mehringdamm, lines 6,7.
Small pancake/potato fritter stand aside the big department store on Hermannplatz, subway lines 7,8.

Borchardt, Französische Strasse (suit not needed, but fursuit not recommended, reserve on weekend evenings)

Zoos:
Berlin Zoo, near Zoo station: recommended on weekdays (but often overly full on weekends).
Tierpark, near Tierpark Station, subway line 5: a lot more space here, also recommended on weekends.

HTH