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Title: EF13 website up and running
Post by: ANTIcarrot on 12.11.2006, 01:53:09
Including all important price information:
http://www.eurofurence.org/EF13/cont-registration.html (http://www.eurofurence.org/EF13/cont-registration.html)

Basic attendence: 60 euros

Twin accomadation: 100 euros
Single accomadation: 200 euros
(covers all four nights)

Food (maybe): ~ 80 euros - or your own arrangements. Site doesn't mention breakfast - but who's ever up that early anyway? ;D

Sponsership: +50 euros
Includes room upgrade to superior:
http://www.ringberghotel.de/rw_e8v/main.asp?WebID=ringberg_e&PageID=42 (http://www.ringberghotel.de/rw_e8v/main.asp?WebID=ringberg_e&PageID=42)
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schneelocke on 12.11.2006, 15:03:37
Well, you get a room upgrade while supplies last; as I understand it, there's no guarantee for that.

Pity about the food, too - I think that will be a major problem for many furs (myself included), especially given that the hotel's located outside of town (so you can't even go somewhere quickly to grab something to eat, unless you have a car; but in that case, eating at the hotel would probably not kill you, anyway).
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Dracolithe on 12.11.2006, 15:04:58
Appears to be cheaper than I thought it would be. With my lack of money recently, going to EF doesn't seem so unrealistic afterall.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: o'wolf on 12.11.2006, 17:13:06
Pity about the food, too - I think that will be a major problem for many furs (myself included), especially given that the hotel's located outside of town
Well, I bet that there are numerous pizza delivery services in Suhl. However, I'm not quite sure that they will be much cheaper than the brunch offered by the hotel...
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schneelocke on 12.11.2006, 17:30:32
Well, I bet that there are numerous pizza delivery services in Suhl. However, I'm not quite sure that they will be much cheaper than the brunch offered by the hotel...

Indeed. I'd rather attend an all-you-can-eat buffet than ordering pizza for a similar price, anyway; it's not about not liking the food the hotel has to offer, after all, but about not being able to afford 15 EUR per meal. At two meals a day, that's easily more than 100 EUR for the entire con, and I at least simply cannot pay that much for four days' worth of food. :P

Ah well.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Loewi on 12.11.2006, 18:14:06
Well, I bet that there are numerous pizza delivery services in Suhl. However, I'm not quite sure that they will be much cheaper than the brunch offered by the hotel...

Indeed. I'd rather attend an all-you-can-eat buffet than ordering pizza for a similar price, anyway; it's not about not liking the food the hotel has to offer, after all, but about not being able to afford 15 EUR per meal. At two meals a day, that's easily more than 100 EUR for the entire con, and I at least simply cannot pay that much for four days' worth of food. :P

Ah well.

so... you still can bring your own food. Or what about attending meal once a day? Or both?
Noone pushes you to attend every meal. I think the "meal thingy" is as flexible as it could be.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Nightfox on 12.11.2006, 18:37:03
And you don't have to order the "all you can eat" thing, the hotel still has "a a la carte" restaurant where you can order normal food for normal prices.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schneelocke on 12.11.2006, 18:46:49
so... you still can bring your own food. Or what about attending meal once a day? Or both?
Noone pushes you to attend every meal. I think the "meal thingy" is as flexible as it could be.

Sure it is. But you can't deny that it's not the same as in the past, either, where all meals were included. I'm not complaining about the new site, but I think I should be allowed to express my disappointment with this particular development, at least... right? :P

And you don't have to order the "all you can eat" thing, the hotel still has "a a la carte" restaurant where you can order normal food for normal prices.

Is a meal in the "normal" restaurant going to be considerably cheaper than 10 to 15 EUR, though?
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Cheetah on 12.11.2006, 19:01:10
Well, you get a room upgrade while supplies last; as I understand it, there's no guarantee for that.

If you find a way to assign more rooms than available, please let me know, so I can propose you for a nobel prize in mathematics :)

So it's not strictly a "room upgrade". It's a donation that will give you priority treatment when rooms are assigned.

And please keep in mind ... sponsorship is a voluntary fee that you pay to give the convention extra support. The sponsor benefits you get in return are a gift.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Kralle on 12.11.2006, 19:03:15
Pity about the food, too - I think that will be a major problem for many furs (myself included), especially given that the hotel's located outside of town (so you can't even go somewhere quickly to grab something to eat, unless you have a car; but in that case, eating at the hotel would probably not kill you, anyway).

Bring 20 packages of Ramen and 2 tins of Chappy with you if you like.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Cheetah on 12.11.2006, 19:05:48
so... you still can bring your own food. Or what about attending meal once a day? Or both?
Noone pushes you to attend every meal. I think the "meal thingy" is as flexible as it could be.

Sure it is. But you can't deny that it's not the same as in the past, either, where all meals were included. I'm not complaining about the new site, but I think I should be allowed to express my disappointment with this particular development, at least... right? :P

Sure, you're free to do that, but unless you know a better possibility (and would be willing to share it with us), it's rather pointless, because there's nothing we can do about it.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Tungro on 12.11.2006, 19:12:48
Yes, the total fee may end up being comparable to EF12, BUT EF12 included food (albeit not great food IMO). You can't really say it'll only cost €160 (€210 for Sponsors) when you still have to add food costs to that. Yes, there is some kind of choice - you can buy food in town, bring it with you beforehand etc.

Another problem I see is the location of food. On a LiveJournal post, Big Blue Fox said that there is a food discounter at the bottom of the hill, claiming it's a 10min walk or a 2min car journey. My problem is... the venue is on top of a hill! If you haven't got a car, it'll be a pain in the backside to carry shopping up that hill. You thought Nuremberg's hill was bad? :P Some say there is a bus service between Suhl and the hotel's driveway. But I don't quite see how it'd be much cheaper than eating in the hotel, if you add bus tickets to the total. And then you STILL have one problem - you can't actually cook anything. I doubt the hotel will have little kitchens for us to use, when they would obviously want any guests to use their own restaurant. And I'm not even sure if there'll be a kettle in the room which can be used to make ramen. Oh, and let's not forget a lack of somewhere to keep food fresh and cool.

The con runs from the 5th to the 9th of September. So let's say that's 2 meals a day (brunch and dinner), but the 5th and 9th will only have one meal. So that's eight meals, at €10-€15 at a time. Which adds €80 to €120 to the con fee. So that makes the con costs €240-€280 for regular congoers, and €290-€330 for sponsors. Ick! And before people say the food at the hotel is optional, getting food elsewhere will cost just as much when you add in transport costs, and even then you're limited to takeout (eat it whilst it's hot) or cold food only.

Sorry if this sounds rather negative, but I'm merely voicing concerns that I have. I'm not even sure how to suggest how to tackle these problems. Can't exactly ask the hotel to convert a room on each floor into kitchen space really! I'm just disappointed that this time food isn't included in the fee, and if it IS added then the resultant fee is €240+... And I also presume that the costing has been worked out in fine detail and that the con fee is the lowest it can be made to be (to still break even in the end), and that the buffets are also done at a discounted rate for the con goers?
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schneelocke on 12.11.2006, 19:14:03
If you find a way to assign more rooms than available, please let me know, so I can propose you for a nobel prize in mathematics :)

So it's not strictly a "room upgrade". It's a donation that will give you priority treatment when rooms are assigned.

And please keep in mind ... sponsorship is a voluntary fee that you pay to give the convention extra support. The sponsor benefits you get in return are a gift.

*chuckles* There is no Nobel Prize for mathematics, actually, but if you want to propose me for a Fields medal, I'd be most honoured. ^.~ In any case, hey, peace - that's exactly what I meant. There's only so many rooms in the higher category, so naturally, not everyone will be able to get one. And yes, being a sponsor doesn't entitle you to one, either, so if you don't get one even though you're a sponsor, you don't have a right to complain (and those who do should keep in mind what being a sponsor is and isn't about).

Bring 20 packages of Ramen and 2 tins of Chappy with you if you like.

Wow, great idea. :P

Sure, you're free to do that, but unless you know a better possibility (and would be willing to share it with us), it's rather pointless, because there's nothing we can do about it.

I don't know of any possibility, naturally - I don't know anything about the deal with the hotel, after all.

Oh well, I'll shut up already.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Cheetah on 12.11.2006, 19:51:50
Yes, the total fee may end up being comparable to EF12, BUT EF12 included food (albeit not great food IMO). You can't really say it'll only cost €160 (€210 for Sponsors) when you still have to add food costs to that. Yes, there is some kind of choice - you can buy food in town, bring it with you beforehand etc.

Okay, I think I need to put things into perspective here:

Out of 400 attendees at EF12, only 250 attended the meals at all. The rest not only paid for a meal they didn't want, they obviously spent extra money to eat elsewhere. So, when deciding which part of the increased cost to offload from the con fee, food was the obvious choice. And with an art show turnover of roughly 11000€, the average congoer doesn't seem to be overly poor.

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Another problem I see is the location of food. On a LiveJournal post, Big Blue Fox said that there is a food discounter at the bottom of the hill, claiming it's a 10min walk or a 2min car journey. My problem is... the venue is on top of a hill! If you haven't got a car, it'll be a pain in the backside to carry shopping up that hill

Oh, come on. There will be 400-500 furries around. People will go shopping in groups, and people will also most likely be going out for dinner in groups. There's always someone with a car you can go with. And unlike Nuremberg, you CAN park you car right outside the front door.

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You thought Nuremberg's hill was bad? :P Some say there is a bus service between Suhl and the hotel's driveway. Which adds €80 to €120 to the con fee. So that makes the con costs €240-€280 for regular congoers, and €290-€330 for sponsors.

If you make the free, optional, decision to exclusively eat at the hotel buffets, yes. But the alternatives are there, even if it takes a bit of planning ahead.  So your argument is a little bit like, "and if I book the massage service twice a day, this drives my con fee up to 400€". Sure it will. Additional convenience does cost extra money.

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People say the food at the hotel is optional, getting food elsewhere will cost just as much when you add in transport costs, and even then you're limited to takeout (eat it whilst it's hot) or cold food only.

You're wildly exaggerating. In town, you can get a kebap for 3€, and some buns and a cup of coffee for about 4€. Or a Big Mac Menu at McDonalds for €4.50. Calm down :)

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Sorry if this sounds rather negative, but I'm merely voicing concerns that I have. I'm not even sure how to suggest how to tackle these problems.

For breakfast, get stuff from a bakery, that you can easily store at your room. For dinner, find other hungry furs, share a car, go out together. It's more fun anyways.

Oh and by the way, the rooms actually do have a little fridge. (It usually serves as a minibar, but they won't be stocked for Eurofurence, so it's free for you to use and store cold food.)

And by the way, the restaurant also serves snacks for less than the buffet price.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schakaline on 12.11.2006, 20:22:22
While I personally dislike EF departing from the "all inclusive" philosophy, there's a bit to be said about the food issue.

First, as previously mentioned there are two facilities in the hotel, so you could possibly get away anywhere between €5 and €10 per main course in the non-buffet restaurant, or alternatively overindulge on the brunch buffet and just skip dinner, or have a light salad instead.  ;)

Secondly, there is public transportation from the main road (which is about 200m down the hotel access road) with a bus line that runs sort of bi-hourly (http://www.iov-ilmenau.de/fahrplan/300.pdf (http://www.iov-ilmenau.de/fahrplan/300.pdf)) with a single fare of € 1.10 (if I am not mistaken there, public transport down there _is_ rather crude and below par compared to what you will find in the non-Soviet parts of Germany). If one is truly desperate, one can therefore still shop on their own (although don't even think about getting places in the evening without a car).

Unless there is a footpath I am not aware of, walking would mean about 1.5 to 2 kilometers  before you reach Suhl city limits, as the access road to the hotel meanders just in the wrong direction to meet the main road.

Oh, and there's also a Joey's in Suhl that will deliver from a minimum amount of €9.95 per order.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Tungro on 12.11.2006, 20:50:49
Hi Cheetah, thanks for addressing some of the concerns! Tanks doco too!

Out of 400 attendees at EF12, only 250 attended the meals at all. The rest not only paid for a meal they didn't want, they obviously spent extra money to eat elsewhere. So, when deciding which part of the increased cost to offload from the con fee, food was the obvious choice.

I never realised that. I presumed that with the odd exception when someone misses a meal, or decides to go out for a meal elsewhere as a one-off, everyone attended the meals. I understand that decision now then.

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Oh, come on. There will be 400-500 furries around. People will go shopping in groups, and people will also most likely be going out for dinner in groups. There's always someone with a car you can go with. And unlike Nuremberg, you CAN park you car right outside the front door.

Point taken. Will there be some way of organising things like this? At EF12 there was the flipchart in the reception that was used for delivering important messages (such as which radio channels not to use) - can there be some sort of a system where people that have cars that want to drive down can be contacted by those without? The reason I say this is because as I am sure you've noticed, there seem to be subgroups within the main furry group. Not everyone may know someone with a car there (especially those who travel from further afield). The problem I see with using this though is that the hotel may not be too keen to have something like a flipchart viewable that would take custom "away" from their main restaurant and the buffet too.

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You're wildly exaggerating. In town, you can get a kebap for 3€, and some buns and a cup of coffee for about 4€. Or a Big Mac Menu at McDonalds for €4.50. Calm down :)

I am quite calm really, I just don't fancy kebabs or McD meals for every meal there ;) Can't be good for the waistline! ;)

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Oh and by the way, the rooms actually do have a little fridge. (It usually serves as a minibar, but they won't be stocked for Eurofurence, so it's free for you to use and store cold food.)

Ah good! This is good news! Remove the temptation for people to spend €1000 per 10ml bottle of alcohol ;) And it gives us a place to store food. Nothing worse than cheese that has started to sweat in the heat! And cool drinks too!

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And by the way, the restaurant also serves snacks for less than the buffet price.

Aha! A useful little tip, thanks! I presumed that the buffet would be cheaper than the restaurant a la carte meals (as I presume it's at a discounted rate for EF for the buffet). Of course it'd be snack food, but that's all that might be needed

Sorry if I seem very budget conscious - I'm merely trying to work out how much money I need to save, and how much I'll need to keep to one side and not to end up going hungry simply to buy art from the art show ;)

Oh, and speaking from past experiences - at morning buffets in hotels, I eat about three meals' worth to last the whole day! Heh
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: ANTIcarrot on 12.11.2006, 21:04:13
As someone who LIVED in a hotel for a while (in rooms not to dissimilar to these) you can get by without spending lots of money. As long as there is something like a tesco/asda/sainsburies in the town we can get to, you might not need to spend more than 20 euros on food. Just bring a toaster[1] with you and buy bread and contiments in town.

If you want to do it cheaply, you can do it like that, but if you want to eat well, you may have to end up paying the price.

And to play devil's advocate: Yes the it is easy to think the con staff are being a little sneaky about the slight price increase, but the food at EF has almost always been a little M.R.E.ish - and people have always gone and spent money off site as a result. The only difference between EF12 and EF13 is you don't have to walk 400m up and down a big hill to find a good restaurant.



[1] Oh yes - and don't tell the hotel.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Tungro on 12.11.2006, 21:15:23
Just bring a toaster with you and buy bread and contiments in town.

And to play devil's advocate: Yes the it is easy to think the con staff are being a little sneaky about the slight price increase, but the food at EF has almost always been a little M.R.E.ish - and people have always gone and spent money off site as a result. The only difference between EF12 and EF13 is you don't have to walk 400m up and down a big hill to find a good restaurant.

I'd be too worried to set off the fire alarm, as toasters have a tendency to do ;)

I do not think the staff are being sneaky at all. Since the venue seems a lot nicer, I did expect a price increase and don't have any problems with that aspect of things! I merely voiced some concerns, because if people eat at the consite it works out as a €100 or so increase over last year, and it seemed due to the location of the venue that it'd be very difficult for people without cars to go elsewhere for food. So I'm glad that in this thread these issues have been addressed. And of course, this still ends up cheaper than other cons such as AC (curse room tax!)

On a side note, Cheetah or other members of EF staff - any idea if there will be kettles in the hotel rooms? My German isn't too bad but I couldn't find any references to it on websites for the hotel itself.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Loewi on 12.11.2006, 21:19:17
As someone who LIVED in a hotel for a while (in rooms not to dissimilar to these) you can get by without spending lots of money. As long as there is something like a tesco/asda/sainsburies in the town we can get to, you might not need to spend more than 20 euros on food. Just bring a toaster[1] with you and buy bread and contiments in town.

If you want to do it cheaply, you can do it like that, but if you want to eat well, you may have to end up paying the price.

And to play devil's advocate: Yes the it is easy to think the con staff are being a little sneaky about the slight price increase, but the food at EF has almost always been a little M.R.E.ish - and people have always gone and spent money off site as a result. The only difference between EF12 and EF13 is you don't have to walk 400m up and down a big hill to find a good restaurant.



[1] Oh yes - and don't tell the hotel.

The two meals you are calling at EF13 are Dinner Buffets - all you can eat. If you lived in a Hotel for a While you should know what that means.

We were in the Hotel already and i can tell you what the dinner-buffet there was like:

4 different sorts of Meat
2 different sorts of Fish
2 different soups
different sorts of vegetables
Rice, noodles or croquettes
vegetarian food
Salad bar with different topics
Dessert Bar

AND (!!!)
during the Dinner, Beer, wine, juices and water are inclusive! (!!)

so... would you please tell me where 10-15 Euro is expensive???
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Loewi on 12.11.2006, 21:26:44
On a side note, Cheetah or other members of EF staff - any idea if there will be kettles in the hotel rooms? My German isn't too bad but I couldn't find any references to it on websites for the hotel itself.

No, im afraid there arent kettles in hotel rooms. You should bring your own if you need one.
I think, a Kettle is what "Wasserkocher" is in german. :)

The only electrical thing the hotel rooms provide is a hair-blower and a TV.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: DarkRacoon on 12.11.2006, 22:00:45
YAY! You went with my casino idea ^_^

Thank yooooou! ^^
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schakaline on 12.11.2006, 22:51:27
No, im afraid there arent kettles in hotel rooms. You should bring your own if you need one.
I think, a Kettle is what "Wasserkocher" is in german. :)

Normally electric cooking appliances including kettles are forbidden for fire protection reasons, unless they are provided by the hotel... that is something that definitely should be discussed with the hotel first.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Wardy on 12.11.2006, 23:14:26
Sure, you're free to do that, but unless you know a better possibility (and would be willing to share it with us), it's rather pointless, because there's nothing we can do about it.

Furs will complain even if you bent over backwards to fulfil all their needs down to personally paying for everyone.  Sad fact of life.

Personally my response would be "Can't afford it, don't come!" but then again I'm not the one worrying wether enough people are going to turn up. 

Looking at the website, I think everything is reasonably priced and before anyone asks, no I'm not laoded.  I'm currently temping for £6 an hour!

On the topic of cars, I have been asked wether I would consider driving there and my answer is no.  I get bugged for rides often enough without getting it there too! Oops...something else for people to complain about!

"Wasserkocher" - Water cooker.  I like that.  I hardly know any German at all, maybe I should start learning! 
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Cairyn on 12.11.2006, 23:44:53
Sure it is. But you can't deny that it's not the same as in the past, either, where all meals were included.

True, true. And looky at the yummy quality of the average youth hostel food you got for your money (EF12 was already worth a positive mention; I'm not sure whether standards went up, or whether they just liked us). I do remember some Eurofurences in them olden times where congoers went to the next McDonald's to avoid dinner. Now that is desperation ;D

Maybe it's 15 bucks per (attended) buffet, but I expect a significant quality improvement. Compared with the current fast food prices, even happy-meal wise, this is not all that much (and if those buffets are anything like those I remember from my last hotel, you will not need to attend two each day...). Let's see, it's nine months until EF, so if I save an extra ten bucks a month, I'll be good for 6 buffets...

Now, the only thing better than a full warm multi-selection buffet was the experience of calorie-overloaded food cooked communally as a special event, but who wants to cook for 400 people... and who's going to do the dishes?  ;)
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Conti on 12.11.2006, 23:50:39
And you don't have to order the "all you can eat" thing, the hotel still has "a a la carte" restaurant where you can order normal food for normal prices.

Might be a good idea to mention this on the EF page. Currently it reads like there's only the choice between "all you can eat" and "bring your own food".
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schneelocke on 12.11.2006, 23:58:50
True, true. And looky at the yummy quality of the average youth hostel food you got for your money (EF12 was already worth a positive mention; I'm not sure whether standards went up, or whether they just liked us). I do remember some Eurofurences in them olden times where congoers went to the next McDonald's to avoid dinner. Now that is desperation ;D

Maybe it's 15 bucks per (attended) buffet, but I expect a significant quality improvement. Compared with the current fast food prices, even happy-meal wise, this is not all that much (and if those buffets are anything like those I remember from my last hotel, you will not need to attend two each day...). Let's see, it's nine months until EF, so if I save an extra ten bucks a month, I'll be good for 6 buffets...

Oh, yes - the part about quality's certainly true. I actually don't remember much of the food at most EFs, but I still have memories of rather inedible stuff from EF5. :)
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: ANTIcarrot on 13.11.2006, 02:39:45
Quote from: Loewi
vegetarian food

Um, no offense, but I've heard that from restaurants before. :-\
"Oh yes sir! All vegitarian! Contains only fish!"
"Oh yes sir! Finest cucumber ice cream! Always plenty in stock in case of vegitarian guests!"
Personally I always get a little concerned when the chips are not marked as vegitarian. I mean how much gelatin do you really need to cook a sliced potato? Oh well. I'm sure we'll all find a way to cope when we get there.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Cheetah on 13.11.2006, 02:54:00
Quote from: Loewi
vegetarian food

Um, no offense, but I've heard that from restaurants before. :-\
"Oh yes sir! All vegitarian! Contains only fish!"

Um, no offense, but this is not the UK :)

(SCNR)
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: K9Primate on 14.11.2006, 00:42:24
Some grocery stores in Suhl, there are more.
The distance shown is from the Ringberg Hotel.
As been said before, just team up with someone who has a car. ;)

Rewe-markt Glock Ilmenauer Str. 2, distance: 4.0 km (about 6 minutes)
Penny-markt Rimbachstr. 53, distance: 5.7 km (about 10 minutes)
Lidl Rennsteigstr. 20, distance: 6.6 km (about 11 minutes)
Aldi Rennsteigstr. 15, distance: 6.8 km (about 12 minutes)
Then Quachdai. Gothaer Str. 4, distance: 5.1 km (about 8 minutes)

Maybe this information is useful to some, by the way found using Google Earth.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: SouthPaw on 14.11.2006, 17:53:32
Quote from: Loewi
vegetarian food

Um, no offense, but I've heard that from restaurants before. :-\
"Oh yes sir! All vegitarian! Contains only fish!"
"Oh yes sir! Finest cucumber ice cream! Always plenty in stock in case of vegitarian guests!"
Personally I always get a little concerned when the chips are not marked as vegitarian. I mean how much gelatin do you really need to cook a sliced potato? Oh well. I'm sure we'll all find a way to cope when we get there.

The reason why chips/fries don't tend to be marked as Vegetarian is due to the fact that some places cook them in the same oil they use for meat. Good eh?

Cheers,

Southie
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: BigBlueFox on 14.11.2006, 19:03:29
Some grocery stores in Suhl, there are more.
The distance shown is from the Ringberg Hotel.
As been said before, just team up with someone who has a car. ;)

[...]

Maybe this information is useful to some, by the way found using Google Earth.



Plus the Lidl discount store which is under construction as we speak. It*s located right at the bottom of the mountain, and will be going into business soon. :)
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Schneelocke on 14.11.2006, 21:10:47
Plus the Lidl discount store which is under construction as we speak. It*s located right at the bottom of the mountain, and will be going into business soon. :)

Sounds good! :) I hope that one will be open by September.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: timduru on 15.11.2006, 10:16:11

Okay, I think I need to put things into perspective here:

Out of 400 attendees at EF12, only 250 attended the meals at all. The rest not only paid for a meal they didn't want, they obviously spent extra money to eat elsewhere. So, when deciding which part of the increased cost to offload from the con fee, food was the obvious choice. And with an art show turnover of roughly 11000€, the average congoer doesn't seem to be overly poor.



Totally agree on that :)
Beside the BBQ (and I think there'll still be one at EF13, right ? )
And the breakfast, I think I didn't go to any of the meals, or maybe just one in the evening..

The reason for that is that either we preferred to just go out as a big group with friends to eat
(it was not easy to find sitting space for big groups in the meal room )
But the main reason is also that we were usually busy preparing stuff, or fursuiting events were a bit too close to meal hours,
(not good to eat too close to fursuiting ;) )
So we preferred to just skip the regular meals, and eat later on outside :)

So the main thing I'll miss will be breakfasts :)
I'll most likely bring things like cakes and orange juice and such with me,
but does the restaurant at the hotel has breakfast offers too, or is it only open for lunch and dinner ?

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Post by: Loewi on 15.11.2006, 11:00:35
So the main thing I'll miss will be breakfasts :)
I'll most likely bring things like cakes and orange juice and such with me,
but does the restaurant at the hotel has breakfast offers too, or is it only open for lunch and dinner ?

Its no Lunch, it will be a Brunch, so I guess it will go from 10-12 or from 11-1 - So its a mix between Breakfast and Lunch.

I dont think that they will offer Breakfast additionally, because that would mean double work for them. But i dunno exactly.
On the other side you could Brunch at 10 or 11 - so that would mean Breakfast and Lunch for you.
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Nightfox on 15.11.2006, 16:27:01
Yes they do!

You can have a normal breakfast from the menu from 6:00 in the morning  :)
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Falli on 15.11.2006, 23:19:51
Hi ^^

Nice Page !!! Respect !
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Post by: SouthPaw on 15.11.2006, 23:48:04
You can have a normal breakfast from the menu from 6:00 in the morning  :)

Just out of interest, would that be the Hotel's "usual" Breakfast buffet or a separate menu?

Thanks,

Southie
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Nightfox on 15.11.2006, 23:58:15
No buffet in the mornig, you can have breakfast from the menu, like a normal continentall breakfast..................
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: ANTIcarrot on 16.11.2006, 12:41:37
I know it's a little early, but nay ideas how the brunch will affect the morning events? Will they run in parallel or be shifted to the afternoon?
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Cheetah on 16.11.2006, 12:55:01
I know it's a little early, but nay ideas how the brunch will affect the morning events? Will they run in parallel or be shifted to the afternoon?

It's too early to say, since we haven't made any arrangements with the hotel about the precise mealtimes yet. Depending on how long the buffets will be open, events may overlap or not. There is absolutely no decision yet :) We are aware that people don't want to miss anything, of course.
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Post by: Thygrrr on 16.12.2006, 13:05:22
I'm pleasantly surprised. Not only because stuff has been "optionalized", these things seem to be really decent deals. EUR 10-15 for an All you can Eat is not too shabby, especially when considering how much furries tend to eat! :o

Making some Calculations, for EUR 200-300 I can already get a pretty luxurious stay in a Double Room with real beds (instead of a 4-6 People room with bunks!), and breakfast and two All-You-Can-Eat Buffets a day (that I can skip out on if I prefer going to town with fellow Furs). This completely justifies the price IMHO, especially if the food choice is varied and the quality is good (quality in Nuremberg was superb for a youth hostel, but choice was limited).

Well done, EF Team!  8)

I also like the Sponsor incentive thing... will there be arranged Room sharing?
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: kshade on 25.12.2006, 23:40:36
Just read the whole thread, sorry for answering to stuff written weeks ago.

AND (!!!)
during the Dinner, Beer, wine, juices and water are inclusive! (!!)

Now that sounds really good, considering that beverages are quite expensive in most restaurants. Is it really "all you can drink" or do they limit you to, say, two glasses?

And with an art show turnover of roughly 11000€, the average congoer doesn't seem to be overly poor.

Half of that came from the infamous gentleman with badge #1 :P
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Blue_Panther on 26.12.2006, 00:17:43
Half of that came from the infamous gentleman with badge #1 :P

Rubbish, that's simply unaccounted urban legends for the rumour-mill or the grapevines. ;)

TbW
Title: Re: EF13 website up and running
Post by: Cheetah on 26.12.2006, 14:00:29
AND (!!!)
during the Dinner, Beer, wine, juices and water are inclusive! (!!)
Now that sounds really good, considering that beverages are quite expensive in most restaurants. Is it really "all you can drink" or do they limit you to, say, two glasses?

As long as you stay with the drinks that Loewi listed, yes. They don't limit you, you can go and have as many "standard" drinks as you like. If you'd like something "non-standard", you can always order something from the menu for a normal restaurant price, of course.