The Eurofurence Forum
Off Topic => Everything Else => Topic started by: K9Primate on 17.09.2007, 21:35:59
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To be completely specific about it: Neither of us are gay. We are both heterosexual males from an Anglo-American culture. We do not want to kiss each other, suck each other off, or stick our dicks up each other's backsides, or wake up in the morning touching each other. This opinion is so widely shared where we come from that any 'holiday company' that made us share a bed would be breaking the law.
Pardon me but being intimate with someone of the same gender does not automatically have to mean that you're gay.
The fact that a lot of straight man feel so awkward about it has a lot to do with social stigmas; at least that's what I believe.
Personally I do not want to get caught up adhering to anybody's norm, enjoy your life while you can. ;)
JMHO
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And, even more important, sharing a king-size double bed (with separate blankets and cushions) does not mean any bodily contact at all.
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This day and age, you do whatever you can to save money. That's all there is to it.
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I'd avoided this thread, but I have a couple things I'd like to add...
First off, on the comment "these days, you do whatever you can to save money," please realize that doesn't apply to everyone. There are people (like myself) who put EF in their yearly budget, so (a) aren't going into debt just to go and (b) intend to splurge a bit, as it IS my big annual vacation. No, I don't want to throw money away, but I will spend a bit more to be comfortable.
... Which leads to the second point. I (for example) will not share a bed with a stranger. Period. I don't care how big it is, etc, I just won't do it. To add to that, even with most friends, I am not comfortable sharing a bed. That's the culture I grew up with, and that's my comfort level.
The US is often accused (rightfully) of ignoring others' cultures. To look at someone who says "look, I'm not comfortable with this" and say "get over it" is to ignore their culture as much as we are guilty of over here. If you grow up in a society where that just isn't done, telling someone to get over it just doesn't work.
To tie those together, I will personally go so far as buying two memberships if that's what it takes to get a guarantee of a bed to myself. Now I know you you don't have to go so far, but I know I am not the only one who feels that way. I don't envy the EF staff having to do all the bed assignments, but perhaps you can add a checkbox to request a double-bed room. If you are worried that everyone will check it, defeating the purpose, add a €10 or so surcharge for it.
As EF becomes more "multi-cultural" with non-Europeans growing more common, I suspect some of the US's (and others) prudish issues will come into play. Yes, I know I'm no longer over here. That still doesn't mean I can change my personal comfort level as I ride the plane out.
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To tie those together, I will personally go so far as buying two memberships if that's what it takes to get a guarantee of a bed to myself. Now I know you you don't have to go so far, but I know I am not the only one who feels that way. I don't envy the EF staff having to do all the bed assignments, but perhaps you can add a checkbox to request a double-bed room. If you are worried that everyone will check it, defeating the purpose, add a €10 or so surcharge for it.
This year, you already had the ability to chose a single room assignment (for a higher charge of course).
CU
CJ
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As I wrote earlier: If people just tell us a few weeks before the con, we will arrange the right type of room. No problem. We just can't make it a general booking option for several annoying technical reasons.
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Why sleep in a bed when you can easility take with a you asleeping-bag? :x..
Well I myself have nothing against sharing a bed with another guy or anything, but it would be a bit...weird if it was a compeltely stranger however, but as long as he kept his greedy paws off me, I'd be okay with it. :p
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but it would be a bit...weird if it was a compeltely stranger however
just to remind people you can choose with who you want to share a room by setting his number in the registration page. If you find yourself with a stranger, its because:
1) you are lazzy and didnt look for someone
2) you got a place because someone else signed out (and you wont complaint because at least you can be there at all, like me, beside it gave me the opportunity to meet a very nice person ^_^)
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but it would be a bit...weird if it was a compeltely stranger however
just to remind people you can choose with who you want to share a room by setting his number in the registration page. If you find yourself with a stranger, its because:
1) you are lazzy and didnt look for someone
2) you got a place because someone else signed out (and you wont complaint because at least you can be there at all, like me, beside it gave me the opportunity to meet a very nice person ^_^)
yea i also meet a furry
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Well maybe I'm too frivolous, ::) despite the fact I wasn't brought up this way.
In my actions I'm not out to purposely provoke anyone though, and I except that others can have a different opinion.
I suppose it must be equally as hard for both to understand the other persons point of view. ???
But it's quite interesting to see how each one deals with these issues.
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I'd avoided this thread, but I have a couple things I'd like to add...
First off, on the comment "these days, you do whatever you can to save money," please realize that doesn't apply to everyone. There are people (like myself) who put EF in their yearly budget, so (a) aren't going into debt just to go and (b) intend to splurge a bit, as it IS my big annual vacation. No, I don't want to throw money away, but I will spend a bit more to be comfortable.
... Which leads to the second point. I (for example) will not share a bed with a stranger. Period. I don't care how big it is, etc, I just won't do it. To add to that, even with most friends, I am not comfortable sharing a bed. That's the culture I grew up with, and that's my comfort level.
The US is often accused (rightfully) of ignoring others' cultures. To look at someone who says "look, I'm not comfortable with this" and say "get over it" is to ignore their culture as much as we are guilty of over here. If you grow up in a society where that just isn't done, telling someone to get over it just doesn't work.
To tie those together, I will personally go so far as buying two memberships if that's what it takes to get a guarantee of a bed to myself. Now I know you you don't have to go so far, but I know I am not the only one who feels that way. I don't envy the EF staff having to do all the bed assignments, but perhaps you can add a checkbox to request a double-bed room. If you are worried that everyone will check it, defeating the purpose, add a €10 or so surcharge for it.
As EF becomes more "multi-cultural" with non-Europeans growing more common, I suspect some of the US's (and others) prudish issues will come into play. Yes, I know I'm no longer over here. That still doesn't mean I can change my personal comfort level as I ride the plane out.
Well... I wasn't implying everyone... sorry if it came out that way. Now, if I had miscalculated my budget and found out that I needed to share a bed with a roommate, preferably I would choose someone I knew quite well... or ask to sleep on the floor.
Some hotel's chairs/sofas can expand into another bed. Investigate your room. I found out that a cheap Days Inn has a hidden sofabed. ^^
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Well... I wasn't implying everyone... sorry if it came out that way. Now, if I had miscalculated my budget and found out that I needed to share a bed with a roommate, preferably I would choose someone I knew quite well... or ask to sleep on the floor.
Some hotel's chairs/sofas can expand into another bed. Investigate your room. I found out that a cheap Days Inn has a hidden sofabed. ^^
But, you must remember that European hotel rooms are usually much smaller then American hotel rooms.
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Well... I wasn't implying everyone... sorry if it came out that way. Now, if I had miscalculated my budget and found out that I needed to share a bed with a roommate, preferably I would choose someone I knew quite well... or ask to sleep on the floor.
Some hotel's chairs/sofas can expand into another bed. Investigate your room. I found out that a cheap Days Inn has a hidden sofabed. ^^
But, you must remember that European hotel rooms are usually much smaller then American hotel rooms.
Also, most European hotels, unlike those in the US, take a dim view of extra persons staying in your room.
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As was made aware to me by Ms. Samantha Brown, who has stayed in many European hotels.
So, should bed-sharing be more of an emergency situation, or what?
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As was made aware to me by Ms. Samantha Brown, who has stayed in many European hotels.
So, should bed-sharing be more of an emergency situation, or what?
The only problem with that is, if you allow it in an emergency, you will have numerous emergencies.
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So, should bed-sharing be more of an emergency situation, or what?
This depends, if you book a single room, you are guaranteed to sleep in privacy.
If you book a shared room, it can be somewhat different.
You see, they've got rooms with two single beds, but also rooms with a double bed.
As far as I know, this year they gave the more luxurious rooms (with two single beds), to those who had a sponsor membership.
But I'm sure if you were to ask, something could be arranged, especially for people who feel awkward about "sleeping with a stranger".
We had a room with two single beds, for me personally it never was a monetary issue.
Because, when all's said and done I wouldn't mind sharing a double bed, but you'd probably already figured that one out. ;)
I've come to the realization; it just takes a bit more vigilance in choosing a roommate.
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It motivates us having a legit mate :P
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As EF becomes more "multi-cultural" with non-Europeans growing more common, I suspect some of the US's (and others) prudish issues will come into play.
Just a small side-line comment; the furry communety is a culture on its own, with it's own ideas, filosofy, 'rules', moralety etc.etc. You fit in or you don't, in the last case; please stay out and let us be, no mortal non-furry soul will ever fully understand us I guess.
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Just a small side-line comment; the furry communety is a culture on its own, with it's own ideas, filosofy, 'rules', moralety etc.etc. You fit in or you don't, in the last case; please stay out and let us be, no mortal non-furry soul will ever fully understand us I guess.
(Note: This is my private opinion, I'm not speaking as a chairman here.)
Fauho, you'll have to accept that not everyone has the same views as yourself, and asking those to "stay out and let you be" is really a very destructive way to handle this issue. If you want someone to respect you, you'll have to respect them, and not tell them to basically f*** off, no matter how polite the wording actually is :)
In the end, there are a LOT of different views and philosophies in the fandom, and singling people out because they do not agree with your vision is only going to make them your enemy, and not doing the community any good.
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Fauho, you'll have to accept that not everyone has the same views as yourself, and asking those to "stay out and let you be" is really a very destructive way to handle this issue. If you want someone to respect you, you'll have to respect them, and not tell them to basically f*** off, no matter how polite the wording actually is :)
In the end, there are a LOT of different views and philosophies in the fandom, and singling people out because they do not agree with your vision is only going to make them your enemy, and not doing the community any good.
I agree on that. I find that some people discriminate furries because they're considered to be weird, even when they never even met one. Basically telling non-furries to "bugger off" from cons like these will only strengthen that feeling of weirdness and discrimination.
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Just a small side-line comment; the furry communety is a culture on its own, with it's own ideas, filosofy, 'rules', moralety etc.etc. You fit in or you don't, in the last case; please stay out and let us be, no mortal non-furry soul will ever fully understand us I guess.
Fauho, you'll have to accept that not everyone has the same views as yourself, and asking those to "stay out and let you be" is really a very destructive way to handle this issue. If you want someone to respect you, you'll have to respect them, and not tell them to basically f*** off, no matter how polite the wording actually is :)
Eh, Cheetah, I'm not telling people to f*** of, I'm just saying that it is quit useless for a non-fur to try to 'understand' the fandom and -even more important- what it is that drives the participants of the fandom, and therefore they'd better save themselves the trouble to bother. But you're right, the way I stated it is highly subject to misinterpretation, sorry for that.
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Eh, Cheetah, I'm not telling people to f*** of, I'm just saying that it is quit useless for a non-fur to try to 'understand' the fandom and -even more important- what it is that drives the participants of the fandom, and therefore they'd better save themselves the trouble to bother. But you're right, the way I stated it is highly subject to misinterpretation, sorry for that.
Why should one strive to understand? I mean if they're not horrified by the notion and open minded, that's all it takes.
Basically it's not hard to see what drives us, as with almost all gatherings its common interests.
But there is a lot of diversity, so if you were to ask 100 furrys what it means to be furry you'd probably get 100 different answers.
JMHO
Regards,
Primate.