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Re: EF18 Feedback
« Reply #45 on: 05.09.2012, 23:33:45 »

This was my first EF and I loved it. Everything was so nice. It was also my first time fursuiting, this was funny too, but I think I shouldn`t attend the parade, because in the end it was nearly too much for me. (I thought I could handle it, since I was suiting a hour on the EF and also was on the dance, and moved there all the time. But I was wrong, on the dance I was nearly all the time on the ventilator and when I was suiting other time I didn`t move all the time)
It was also funny making door plates and let on other doors messages.
The panels are nice too, and there was so many, I didn`t managed to watch all I wanted, because I also liked to walk around the EF and meet people.
Dealer`s Den was nice too and I used up to much money...

What I didn`t like was the article about bronies in the EF journal... I didn`t sound positive at all, even if it said, that bronies will be accepted... The arguments against bronies was ridiculous too, like that pony world is too small, but really you could also make pony story about ponies in Mars or wherever you like it, especially if you use your own pony character. Also that the new MLP is not the original is not really an argument, I think the new series is not really something like a remake of the old series, it`s something entirely new, sure it`s based on pony characters from before, but I don`t think that make it somehow less original, it`s just a different viewpoint of the ponyworld.
Anyway this article really annoyed me and I think it wouldn`t be written, if MLP is not that popular now. I can understand that people, who don`t like MLP can get annoyed of it, but please bring better arguments than this against ponies... Anyway since there also people, who make their fursona after animation series/movie, nothing really speaks against pony to be furry too, or else Lion King Fans also as much displaced in the furry fandom as MLP-Fans...
Ah yes, reminds me on the argument, you can`t be in two fandoms, that the stupidest thing I ever heard... But it`s not the first time I encounter this, many people seems also not to like, when you are an anime fan the same time and furry too. I didn`t know, you can have just one interest...

It was nice meeting old and new friends. ^^

Hmm, for me fursuitdance was not too loud, not to loud with fursuithead nor without.

I definitely will try to attend next year`s EF.
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« Reply #46 on: 06.09.2012, 00:47:57 »

What I didn`t like was the article about bronies in the EF journal... I didn`t sound positive at all, even if it said, that bronies will be accepted... The arguments against bronies was ridiculous too, like that pony world is too small, but really you could also make pony story about ponies in Mars or wherever you like it, especially if you use your own pony character. Also that the new MLP is not the original is not really an argument, I think the new series is not really something like a remake of the old series, it`s something entirely new, sure it`s based on pony characters from before, but I don`t think that make it somehow less original, it`s just a different viewpoint of the ponyworld.
Anyway this article really annoyed me and I think it wouldn`t be written, if MLP is not that popular now. I can understand that people, who don`t like MLP can get annoyed of it, but please bring better arguments than this against ponies... Anyway since there also people, who make their fursona after animation series/movie, nothing really speaks against pony to be furry too, or else Lion King Fans also as much displaced in the furry fandom as MLP-Fans...
Ah yes, reminds me on the argument, you can`t be in two fandoms, that the stupidest thing I ever heard... But it`s not the first time I encounter this, many people seems also not to like, when you are an anime fan the same time and furry too. I didn`t know, you can have just one interest...

The 'My Little Brony.... Or is it Furry' article (co-written by me) was written purely as an amusing play on how the world currently is. A lot of fans at Bronycon in NY completely deny they're in the Fur fandom, but worship MLP like a religion, whereas others are happy to be in it. Myself personally, I actually like the show, and I can see why it has such a large fanbase, but I wouldn't call myself a Brony, even though others would refer to me as one simply for watching the show.
I apologise if it seemed unkind, but it was just meant to be funny. No one said anything to myself, the editor, or any of the other writers at the con about it, so we assumed it had gone down well with everyone.
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« Reply #47 on: 06.09.2012, 11:10:41 »

Oh ok, I see, unfortunality many furries arguments like this, not only in cause of bronies. (Especially the argument with just being in one fandom, I did heard in case, that I`m anime-fan and can`t be a furry..) So maybe I`m a  little bit oversensitive to it, but it did sound more like serious than sarcastic or funny or something.
^^; I didn`t say on the con anything either to you, but I don`t really know, who the people are who write it, so I decided I will write it here after the con.

Anyway, I`m not that annoyed about it, I`m just generally annoyed about ponyhaters and that there have always mention it (have there nothing better to do, than showing all the time what their hate...), but I do understand that for some furries it can indeed be annoying to have so much pony around them, especially when there do not like it.
I did also not know that some Bronies don`t declare them as furry, but I think it`s ok since there maybe really interest in that only, maybe it`s like these people, who made fursuits for cosplay, some of them don`t even really know what furry is.
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« Reply #48 on: 06.09.2012, 11:43:27 »

Oh ok, I see, unfortunality many furries arguments like this, not only in cause of bronies. (Especially the argument with just being in one fandom, I did heard in case, that I`m anime-fan and can`t be a furry..) So maybe I`m a  little bit oversensitive to it, but it did sound more like serious than sarcastic or funny or something.
^^; I didn`t say on the con anything either to you, but I don`t really know, who the people are who write it, so I decided I will write it here after the con.

Anyway, I`m not that annoyed about it, I`m just generally annoyed about ponyhaters and that there have always mention it (have there nothing better to do, than showing all the time what their hate...), but I do understand that for some furries it can indeed be annoying to have so much pony around them, especially when there do not like it.
I did also not know that some Bronies don`t declare them as furry, but I think it`s ok since there maybe really interest in that only, maybe it`s like these people, who made fursuits for cosplay, some of them don`t even really know what furry is.

Do you really think Ponyhaters would have put that much humor into an article? Also, try reading it in Twilight Sparkle's voice, it really gets funny then.
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Re: EF18 Feedback
« Reply #49 on: 06.09.2012, 14:30:30 »

Giving my 3 cents to the feedback section, for what it's worth.

This was more or less my first EF. Last EF i did not even know what the furry fandom was, what a fursuiter was and what to expect. Stumbled upon a live journal from an attendee about 1 month prior to EF. Sounded about right and i just booked the tickets. Got hooked from that point.


+ I liked the fursuit lounge. Good fans and cleaver inventions to dry your suit. Was also always stocked with water and some green water :-P
+ Fursuiter charity runs. That was fun and also glad that new ideas on how to sell the otter noses were accepted.
+ The chariot was a nice. Both to see and also to ride ^^
+ Uncle Kage
+ Coffee-to-go
+ Good information about the different panels/events.
+ Was a blast fursuiting at EF. Friendly people and not hard at all to get an elevator spot.
+ Events started in time (except for the fursuit games that got heavily delayed)
+ EF Prime
+ Food discounts.
+ Parade was interesting and also a bit confusing at the same time. Got stuck at a crossing watching the other parade and people started debating about if we were late/early etc.
+ Pawpet show. Was slightly to long and a bit to serious. Need more humor =)
+ Fursuit games
+ Possibility to make events like the freeze mob. To bad that the 2 major events melted into one and thus people stayed in the main stage.

- Having the fursuit games after the Rock concert. I would have preferred the other way around for the simple reason that people can sit and take a beer at the rock concert while listening to good music. It's easier to get people to that attraction at 22:30 rather then the poor fursuit games that got pushed to over midnight. Fursuit games should be held much earlier to attract a bigger crowd.
- Downside with the fursuit lounge was, as people already said, lack of hangers. People just kept their heads/paws/tails/suits on there forever. Maybe arrange dual-hangers for the suits?
- Dealers den. Saw Alpha_Ki's post earlier. One suggestion is to spread out the popular artists over the two dens. Thus reducing ques. Another idea would be to throw out the hotel restaurant and occupy that space, to expensive anyway.
- Crazy lady looked at my name badge when i was suiting and then came to the hotel on Saturday and forced the staff to call my room at 9. *shrugs* I don't mind my name being shown on the badge but PLEASE write my furry nickname A LOT bigger.
- Rude staff members in the lobby-bar
- Internet needs to be a lot faster and more reliable both in the lobby and also in the hotel room. I bought an hour in the hotel room for 8 EUR and most of the time i could not even connect to it.
- More check-in counters during "rush-hours"
- Even it out a little more between what you get as a sponsor and a super sponsor.
- Should have a special deal on normal Coca-Cola from the lobby-bar. A large coca-cola costed 5 EUR =/
+1 Lightfox: "- There was a guy who kept wondering with an incomplete fursuit, both in the lobby and the dances, even at the dead dog party: he had a full body on, but instead of a head, he just had sun glasses and a cap with ears on top of them. At first, i thought it was a fursuiter who was cooling off, but it seems it really was his costume, since i never saw him with a real fursuit head on. I know this is highly subjective, but i really found this disturbing and not really pleasant to look at, especially when your gaze switches from a traditionnal fursuit - no matter the quality - to one that's missing the most important part."
- "Leitungswasser" 1 EUR. Sorry i am from Sweden and here it's more or less a custom that tap water is free. Getting room temperature water for 1 EUR was not a good deal.
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Re: EF18 Feedback
« Reply #50 on: 06.09.2012, 14:53:54 »

Minor thing, I did miss the sausage carts in the lobby, Any trip to Germany is very much about the sausage, and free and easy access to sausage is important. I know burgersaurus rex was available at the bar, but sometimes all you want is a little sausagey snack.

Not really a deal breaker, but if there was ever talk of bringing back the sausage men, then it's a +1 from me! :)
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« Reply #51 on: 06.09.2012, 15:09:23 »

Any trip to Germany is very much about the sausage, and free and easy access to sausage is important

Innuendo! Get your innuendo here!
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« Reply #52 on: 06.09.2012, 15:12:04 »

Innuendo! Get your innuendo here!

I know not what you mean! I take my quest for sausage very seriously! ;)
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« Reply #53 on: 06.09.2012, 15:28:25 »

Innuendo! Get your innuendo here!

I know not what you mean! I take my quest for sausage very seriously! ;)

Drowning in lewd jokes I can't make!!!
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« Reply #54 on: 06.09.2012, 16:46:44 »

Can we please stay on topic? :-). Thanks :-)
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« Reply #55 on: 06.09.2012, 16:50:01 »

EF18 was awesome! The hotel itself and the rooms are always great, and the usual entire convention organization, main events and panels are always really appreciable!

Special greets to:
+ The niceness and kindness of the staff members which I told with, thank you for that;
+ The niceness and kindness of the security men I noticed with me and other people, thank you for that;
+ Fursuit Lounge: Impressive the drying system and everything was well organized for the better fursuit dressing/undressing/resting (apart some very minimal problems that are being discussed in the relative thread).

Some things you could sort out next year:
- EF Wi-Fi: latest year was perfect, always very fast. Instead this year I noticed so much lag and many attemtps to connect;
- Dealers Den: there was always a long queue for the first room and so few people for the second, you should divide better famous and not-famous artists/vendors in the two rooms;
- Some drink prices: A large glass of water with ice... 5 euro! :'( Unbereable! Some large glasses of beer were cheaper (3 euro), maybe the next year also some non-alchoolic drinks (like CocaCola) could be cheaper like that;
- The Message-Board: I'm happy it was introduced this year, but the final position was far for the normal walking paths (aside one of the back elevator). So despite that many messages appeared all around the hotel lobby. Maybe next year you should use one bigger and put it in a better place, easy to see.
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« Reply #56 on: 06.09.2012, 21:28:49 »

- More check-in counters during "rush-hours"

Early arrival was originally meant for setup and such. Which also includes the registration team.
We already had more people queueing up before the registration team was even completely there than we checked in on the whole first official day of the con!

Also, it happened again frequently that people happily waited in line at the first counter, ignoring the other open counters.

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- "Leitungswasser" 1 EUR. Sorry i am from Sweden and here it's more or less a custom that tap water is free. Getting room temperature water for 1 EUR was not a good deal.

So it's different here. What do you think the complaints would be like if they had Swedish prices for alcoholic beverages?
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« Reply #57 on: 06.09.2012, 21:40:06 »

ok, most's been said and debated, for good or bad. Though I was not able to attend eberything I had on my agenda, I did not have a feel of having missed something. One thing I'd love to see: at i.e. confuzzled you have an overview of the furnames/ nicks which were going to attend. This gives you a good idea of whom to expect, and I think this would not be in violation of stringent german data protection laws? so, please make a survey of attending furs available. If data protection is an issue: include an opt-out/ -in button at the registration.
I am a bit short sighted and rely a bit on badges to not forget fur's names. Bigger print of the nick on the badges would be nice.
I just hope that all the wonderful con-ops furs just don't get mauled&eaten by the monster Eurofurence they've created...

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« Reply #58 on: 06.09.2012, 21:48:43 »

Bigger print of the nick on the badges would be nice.

Completely forgot - I fully second this. I feel like an ass every time I bend over, staring at someone's belly (or, for shorter people... you know what I mean) just to read a name. =)
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« Reply #59 on: 06.09.2012, 21:51:30 »

Positives:
* My last time at EF, EF16 I was disappointed by the lack of seats in the lobby so I loved the fact that you had lower tables with chairs where the tall round tables were previously. Very good for socialising and artists :)
* Having free wifi. I know people had issues with it but it was free which really helped to keep in touch with other folk at the con via Twitter
* The EF app was a great idea. Looking forward to future versions with the various enhancements which have been suggested :)
* Was surprised that the lifts didn't break down in my experience while at the con this year. Very impressed considering my experience of EF16 :P
* Great job on the discounts and offers on nearby food places.  Certainly helped with variety with what to eat every day.  Next year, can we have a deal on the Venezia Gelateria Italiana Caffè place in the mall? :D
* Fursuit lounge has to have been the best I have ever seen.  Plenty of fans and some very innovative drying solutions.  Despite it's popularity, I always found somewhere to dry off my head.  Complimentary Febreeze was a nice touch too!

Negatives:
* Not directly the con's fault but I despised the pillows in the hotel rooms. They didn't provide any support at all and ended up giving me a neck injury which meant I had to miss the fursuit photo and dance.
* Again with the rooms, the shower temperature could not decide what it wanted to be. Is there a knack for getting it to work properly? Seemed everyone I know had similar problems with it going from freezing to scolding hot and back again.  To the hotel's credit though, the busted shower head I had when I first checked in was fixed within 10-15 minutes of me reporting it.
* Been said a million times but again, the soda and water prices were insane! €5 for a pint of Coke was bad enough but €3 for 200ml is really taking advantage of a captive crowd.  I realise you could go out and get your own drinks from Kaufland or whatever but when the beer is cheaper than the soft drinks, it's no surprise people drink themselves silly.  I appreciated the water in the fursuit lounge but could really have done with more places to get free water to re-hydrate.
* Would love to see more DJs getting the opportunity to perform like with ConFuzzled where the DJs have timeslots.  I found the BBF dance somewhat repetitive and lacking variety which having changes in DJ would allow.  Would also be nice for there to have been a dance Friday night after the concert if possible.
* Security on doors seemed to vary widely.  I was quite concerned with random members of the public (not con goers) popping in to the fursuit lounge and elsewhere.
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